Joe

So as I understand it, by 11 years old,

You have a sports psychologist.

By 13, you have a physical trainer.

There is a cottage industry around you and Greg Rosetzky.

I don't know if it's made its way over to... Well, I guess you're still living in the UK, as I understand.

Okay.

Well, then maybe it has made its way to London, but Conor Nyland, Irish tennis player, has written a fantastic book in the last year.

Yeah, yeah.

The Racket, yeah.

You know, he's fairly solidly of the opinion because he beat a young Roger Federer that he missed out on his window to be a top 50 male tennis player.

Not when he was 16 or 17 or 18, but somewhere kind of from 9 or 10 and 13 or 14.

You know, they had a court in Backgarden and that got him going to a certain level.

But then you got to take, I don't know, the Andy Murray leap to Barcelona or go to the Boletari school or, you know, have your dad driving...

you.

So it's fascinating what goes into making a top five, and you were number four at your peak, a top five tennis player is all kind of freakish things.

Yeah, it's all in.

I don't want to open up, by the way, some family psychology, maybe the group therapy thing here, but like, what's your brother saying when like.

Fascinating.

That US Open final in 97 where you lost 3-1 to Pat Rafter.

It was a huge thing in the UK.