Joel Hron

Yeah.

We try to be judicious about our choices there.

Again, this is where I think really talented, good engineers come in place.

Even though Claude Coe can go write 10,000 lines of code, he can't make a decision like that really well and have an intuition for that really well.

And so I think this is where really talented engineers come into play and are exceptionally important in the development process.

And then the last thing I'll say is, like, starting with the whole problem.

So, like, there's this idea in software development of, like, the MVP, right?

And I think oftentimes teams...

they try to minimize the problem, like minimum viable product.

Like, okay, I want to make the problem as small as I can to be viable.

And so this is the hardest part.

This is the most valuable part.

I'm going to focus on it.

And I think if you over-index on being too minimal, you actually miss the system.

And really the way the AI system and the agentic system operate is,

isn't apparent until you build the whole system, right?

And so I think really focusing on the whole problem as much as we can on day one, rather than trying to like slice it and solve this component too early has been a shift for us from like a product and engineering perspective that has allowed us to like really think about these things as a system rather than as like an individual discrete component.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

Yeah, I do.