Joel Relon

We've actually followed along in the same direction as the EU, whether that's climate, digital rules, things like online safety.

We're basically moving in the same direction.

We're not very far apart in terms of the way we want things to be.

And so there was this idea we have a very kind of independent, different spirit.

And Brexit showed us, no, not really.

We broadly think the same as each other.

Yeah, it's actually a really interesting case study in the intersection between regulation and foreign policy.

Because last year, Peter Mandelson, when he was ambassador to the US, stood up and said, we need to make a living as not Europe.

And kind of very pointedly not signing up to a big AI summit, which President Macron and I think India and other countries led.

The UK and the US, no, we're not joining.

That's a real way to try and win some kudos in the White House, using our Brexit freedoms to get going in the world.

Yeah.

Okay.

So in very simple terms, you have genetic editing, which is effectively in a lab accelerating processes that could have happened in the natural environment, but you're

you know, using techniques to make that go faster.

Genetic modification, that's the kind of frankenfood.

You splurge things that couldn't happen out in the wild.

So you liberalise geneticising, say that's not the same.

You can do creative things.

You can have more sustainable crops.