Johan Derksen

And actually also to look a little bit, can there be room for Mona Keijzer to return?

Can a board of the BBB send those two away?

I don't know if that's possible in those statutes.

It's true that you can only choose a new party leader around elections.

That's not possible now.

So you can probably say, well, we'd rather see Mona Keijzer... or we'd rather not see Henk Vermeer.

But that would mean a lot.

But it would be a blessing for the party if those two stood up.

But if the members say, we'd rather that they do that... and turn this decision around, that makes the position of Van der Plas and Vermeer unsustainable.

That's enough, right?

And she's still a member of the BBB.

She left the fraction, but she didn't sign up for the BBB membership.

And why it is also important for her to return.

She actually only has very little money left.

She can probably only hire two people.

Then you can achieve little in politics.

If she returns to the BBB, the BBB has four seats, enough money to hire staff, Claudia van Zanten and Gijs Tuinman will probably come, who are now actually also protesting against Henk Vermeer and Caroline van der Plas, with her in the room.

Because they are in places 5 and 6, they just fell outside the second room.

Then they can just start again.

But then they can just sit back and wait until they come, right?