John Arnold

But the basic point, the basic tenet of my argument all the time is that more and more matches are being put behind this so-called paywall system.

And people say, you're not comparing like with like.

I mean, if you play for American football or soccer or rugby, they're all multi-wage.

Their players are paid.

And I'm asking you the question now, Damien, you're the broadcaster.

Will it be only a matter of time now if there's more and more matches go behind the paywall and more and more income coming into J-Plus?

Will the day come when the GPL says, lads, the players should be getting some of this, now we should be getting some of that money, because we're earning that.

And then we're going down a slippery, wicked dinner, going on nearly professional, semi-professional again already.

Maybe, look, maybe I'm old-fashioned, I'm nearly 70, maybe that's the way the G is going to go.

I think we'd be sorry there for the association if it did, because it's built on volunteerism.

Every Saturday you'll see hundreds and thousands of people all over the country, young fellas, and then that's the same with soccer and rugby too, but if we stop going down that of having to pay, we're paying, you're talking about that the games are a product, they're a product, you said the championship, you said, but who produced that product?

That product was produced by players who were produced by clubs.

by people who were in international schools and sat the courts, young fellas, at five and six and devoted years and years of time to them.

So if there's a product, if there's a product there, who made the product, who are the producers of the product, the product wasn't produced in Pachycuif.

Yes, but you'll have to agree, you're a volunteer and I'm a volunteer.

I presume you don't get paid no more than me.

Exactly, I'd be saying that myself over the last 15 years.

The origination for the trip was this realization that China has gone through this transformation unlike any other that's happened in the world, both economic and cultural, in the course of 30 years.

This is a country that has gone from trying to replicate the West to in many ways leapfrogging it.

I was fortunate enough to spend a week running around and met with four or five companies a day that were all very open and got to tour factories.