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John Ashbrook

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2142 total appearances

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The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

I will look at the subsections. It would be interesting to see if... Obviously, we know he's not a cop, fireman, EMT, or anything, peace officer. I don't know if he was about to go testify at a congressional hearing or some sort of a trial, but they do know if you kill a witness. So I don't know exactly what...

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

theory of murder in the first degree they're going to be looking for or maybe they're just overcharging and see if it gets you know what sticks and if they want to lower the charge but a grand jury would have to approve the murder in the first degree charge that's what happened

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

theory of murder in the first degree they're going to be looking for or maybe they're just overcharging and see if it gets you know what sticks and if they want to lower the charge but a grand jury would have to approve the murder in the first degree charge that's what happened

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

theory of murder in the first degree they're going to be looking for or maybe they're just overcharging and see if it gets you know what sticks and if they want to lower the charge but a grand jury would have to approve the murder in the first degree charge that's what happened

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

There you go channeling your pro-ho again. Just when I thought we had gotten to kind of you centered and being more moderate, you just go off. Not on Luigi. I am definitely very pro him going to jail forever. going to go as far as Dickie and tell you that I've seen no evidence, but I don't know what the evidence is.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

There you go channeling your pro-ho again. Just when I thought we had gotten to kind of you centered and being more moderate, you just go off. Not on Luigi. I am definitely very pro him going to jail forever. going to go as far as Dickie and tell you that I've seen no evidence, but I don't know what the evidence is.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

There you go channeling your pro-ho again. Just when I thought we had gotten to kind of you centered and being more moderate, you just go off. Not on Luigi. I am definitely very pro him going to jail forever. going to go as far as Dickie and tell you that I've seen no evidence, but I don't know what the evidence is.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

But I will tell you, whenever somebody argues about jury nullification, I'm always a little leery about that. There's always the overcharging by prosecutors. I don't I hear people protesting or being upset when prosecutors overcharge. A defense lawyer has a duty, and that's to zealously defend. It's a different duty than the prosecutor. The prosecutor is supposed to seek justice.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

But I will tell you, whenever somebody argues about jury nullification, I'm always a little leery about that. There's always the overcharging by prosecutors. I don't I hear people protesting or being upset when prosecutors overcharge. A defense lawyer has a duty, and that's to zealously defend. It's a different duty than the prosecutor. The prosecutor is supposed to seek justice.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

But I will tell you, whenever somebody argues about jury nullification, I'm always a little leery about that. There's always the overcharging by prosecutors. I don't I hear people protesting or being upset when prosecutors overcharge. A defense lawyer has a duty, and that's to zealously defend. It's a different duty than the prosecutor. The prosecutor is supposed to seek justice.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

Now, what you call jury nullification, there, I'm sure, I would guess, there's going to be a robust exploration of the mental state of this young man if the facts are as simplistically and powerfully overwhelming as you've described them. I just don't know that yet. But if they are, as a defense lawyer, the first thing you do is you look at the evidence that the prosecution has.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

Now, what you call jury nullification, there, I'm sure, I would guess, there's going to be a robust exploration of the mental state of this young man if the facts are as simplistically and powerfully overwhelming as you've described them. I just don't know that yet. But if they are, as a defense lawyer, the first thing you do is you look at the evidence that the prosecution has.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

Now, what you call jury nullification, there, I'm sure, I would guess, there's going to be a robust exploration of the mental state of this young man if the facts are as simplistically and powerfully overwhelming as you've described them. I just don't know that yet. But if they are, as a defense lawyer, the first thing you do is you look at the evidence that the prosecution has.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

At the same time, you walk and chew gum and you take a look at exactly what the mental state of your client is. And that's the important thing to do as a defense lawyer. And you don't get swayed by kind of one side or the other. And you're not looking necessarily when people talk about jury nullification, I always say, well, yeah, there's only two things that are not appealable in the criminal law.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

At the same time, you walk and chew gum and you take a look at exactly what the mental state of your client is. And that's the important thing to do as a defense lawyer. And you don't get swayed by kind of one side or the other. And you're not looking necessarily when people talk about jury nullification, I always say, well, yeah, there's only two things that are not appealable in the criminal law.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

At the same time, you walk and chew gum and you take a look at exactly what the mental state of your client is. And that's the important thing to do as a defense lawyer. And you don't get swayed by kind of one side or the other. And you're not looking necessarily when people talk about jury nullification, I always say, well, yeah, there's only two things that are not appealable in the criminal law.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

One is a not guilty verdict, as Arthur mentioned, and the other is a presidential pardon. So those are the two kind of escape hatches. That's what our Constitution is based on. And I don't call it jury nullification. I call it not guilty.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

One is a not guilty verdict, as Arthur mentioned, and the other is a presidential pardon. So those are the two kind of escape hatches. That's what our Constitution is based on. And I don't call it jury nullification. I call it not guilty.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

One is a not guilty verdict, as Arthur mentioned, and the other is a presidential pardon. So those are the two kind of escape hatches. That's what our Constitution is based on. And I don't call it jury nullification. I call it not guilty.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972

Well, the judge relied on what's called the harmless error. He's like, even if it did come in, the evidence against Trump was overwhelming without this bad evidence. So it's harmless error that I allowed it in. And we're going to stick with the result that the jury gave. Typically, that's what an appellate court does. An appellate court rules. Yes, the trial judge should not allow this in.