John Ashbrook

Well, first of all, I have to just say, because Mark talked about basically battered woman syndrome. And since it's a special edition of Kelly's Court, I'm going to brag. I actually, my very first murder case as a criminal defense attorney, allowed for the first time in the United States of America, battered woman syndrome to be used against a man.

and they were two gay men, and one killed the other based on a series of abuse and all kinds of abuse, financial abuse, emotional abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse. But it had never been before anything more than husband and wife, and this expanded it.

and they were two gay men, and one killed the other based on a series of abuse and all kinds of abuse, financial abuse, emotional abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse. But it had never been before anything more than husband and wife, and this expanded it.

and they were two gay men, and one killed the other based on a series of abuse and all kinds of abuse, financial abuse, emotional abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse. But it had never been before anything more than husband and wife, and this expanded it.

And Megan, it's been used very successfully, not to get people off, not to get people to say they're not guilty, but as opposed to life in prison or 25 years in prison, it's a tremendous mitigating factor, reduces sentencing, exponentially from life in prison to 15 years. In my particular case, when I came into the case, the prosecutor said, all right, Arnie, I'll give you 22 years.

And Megan, it's been used very successfully, not to get people off, not to get people to say they're not guilty, but as opposed to life in prison or 25 years in prison, it's a tremendous mitigating factor, reduces sentencing, exponentially from life in prison to 15 years. In my particular case, when I came into the case, the prosecutor said, all right, Arnie, I'll give you 22 years.

And Megan, it's been used very successfully, not to get people off, not to get people to say they're not guilty, but as opposed to life in prison or 25 years in prison, it's a tremendous mitigating factor, reduces sentencing, exponentially from life in prison to 15 years. In my particular case, when I came into the case, the prosecutor said, all right, Arnie, I'll give you 22 years.

I mean, my guy totally did it. There was no issue about it. I'll give you 22 years. And then I raised battered woman syndrome. That's not going to work. I'll give you 20 years. And then the judge put on three experts who said battered woman syndrome is not just between a husband and a wife. It can be through very different relationships. And it is gender neutral. It's all about control and power.

I mean, my guy totally did it. There was no issue about it. I'll give you 22 years. And then I raised battered woman syndrome. That's not going to work. I'll give you 20 years. And then the judge put on three experts who said battered woman syndrome is not just between a husband and a wife. It can be through very different relationships. And it is gender neutral. It's all about control and power.

I mean, my guy totally did it. There was no issue about it. I'll give you 22 years. And then I raised battered woman syndrome. That's not going to work. I'll give you 20 years. And then the judge put on three experts who said battered woman syndrome is not just between a husband and a wife. It can be through very different relationships. And it is gender neutral. It's all about control and power.

He wound up pleading to six years. So that's where it matters so much.

He wound up pleading to six years. So that's where it matters so much.

He wound up pleading to six years. So that's where it matters so much.

It's exactly right. And that was the first time they had expanded it from the idea. And I'm telling you, until the 2000s, Until the 2000s, this was not something that was recognized outside of what we used to call intimate partners.

It's exactly right. And that was the first time they had expanded it from the idea. And I'm telling you, until the 2000s, Until the 2000s, this was not something that was recognized outside of what we used to call intimate partners.

It's exactly right. And that was the first time they had expanded it from the idea. And I'm telling you, until the 2000s, Until the 2000s, this was not something that was recognized outside of what we used to call intimate partners.

I'm going to have to stop calling you my pro-host, so...

I'm going to have to stop calling you my pro-host, so...

I'm going to have to stop calling you my pro-host, so...

Quite a bit about you, Megan. That that little tidbit might explain quite a bit about your tilt.