John B. Allen (MrBallen)

And so the way I tell these stories, it's designed to be like you're in the POV of the normal people that are meant to feel relatable to you.

The people who, like the Bowen family, were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

That's it.

And the other family that were killed, the Gustafsons,

Wrong place, wrong time.

I want you to inhabit their point of view and have the killer be almost anonymous.

This is a story where Danny LaPlante gets really named, but the killer or like the bad thing that happens always needs to feel like sort of this thing that always happens in a Mr. Ballin story.

It's this ambiguous bad thing.

It's the character in the story that I can relate to.

I can like feel their emotions.

That way, by the time the bad thing happens, it's like heart wrenching.

You're like, oh my God, like I feel for those people.

You know, so that story gets told a ton, but it's often told with, I'm going to tell you the story of the guy in the wall.

Man, we do a phenomenal job.

Yeah.

And you know what's crazy?

I think he did.

He was a very, don't quote me, I want to say a very dysfunctional family, if you can imagine.

But there's actually, these are far less good stories, but there's a shocking number of, because we researched this stuff, shocking number of people that have found

people living in their walls.