John Day

You don't buy a single bit of clothing.

I mean, I don't even know.

Maybe they're on a food budget as well.

I wouldn't be surprised.

Still not a bad whack for playing, what, 15 games of rugby a year and then a few MPC games, mate?

I agree with that, but it's like every industry, isn't it, Mark?

I mean, I've got a lot of my son's mates at the moment who are all tradies who have just basically got their, once their apprenticeship finished, they're off and up to London where they can earn what they earn in New Zealand in English pounds.

Three times.

OK, well, let's move on to Steve Lancaster then, the New Zealand rugby interim CEO, who says in that interview with RNZ, it's in good health, the sport.

We tend to get, I'm just quoting him, we tend to get trapped in the cycle of quite a negative narrative about our game.

I agree with him.

I think that a lot of the reporting and a lot of the commentary around rugby does attract a lot of negative comment.

And a lot of people use it as a sport to vent as opposed to venting on other sports.

You could pick holes in every single professional sport there is.

But rugby in this country does cop it.

Probably brought its...

Brought it on itself a lot, John, from the complacency and the arrogance that it actually has had for a number of decades, where it never even looked or rated or talked about or acknowledged any other sport.

And now that chicken's coming home to roost.

But do you agree with him?

The Premier League and the rugby pretty much.