John Epperson

Or kind of go back to a huddle and, you know, somehow become re-energized. Like all the things that we can do are almost all like social interactions, not engineering interactions, right? And so if you have a culture where you can kind of deal with that,

Or kind of go back to a huddle and, you know, somehow become re-energized. Like all the things that we can do are almost all like social interactions, not engineering interactions, right? And so if you have a culture where you can kind of deal with that,

I feel like people can kind of turn around and refactor and make reasonable choices or whatever but if you don't like I feel like it's really hard it's really hard for you as somebody who just burned yourself out pushing something across the finish line that was really hard to then turn back around and be like I'm throwing you out and I'm gonna redo this really hard problem again right like that's just a really hard thing to do I think it's interesting that you say that because at the point that we made that decision the problem didn't seem hard anymore

I feel like people can kind of turn around and refactor and make reasonable choices or whatever but if you don't like I feel like it's really hard it's really hard for you as somebody who just burned yourself out pushing something across the finish line that was really hard to then turn back around and be like I'm throwing you out and I'm gonna redo this really hard problem again right like that's just a really hard thing to do I think it's interesting that you say that because at the point that we made that decision the problem didn't seem hard anymore

You also said a really important word there, which is we, right? So one of the things that you did as a company to recover from this problem is you went back to this huddle and you said, hey, I made some mistakes, right? And and then your team said, that's OK, Jesse, we as a team are taking ownership for this. Right. Like and we as a team are going to fix this. Right.

You also said a really important word there, which is we, right? So one of the things that you did as a company to recover from this problem is you went back to this huddle and you said, hey, I made some mistakes, right? And and then your team said, that's OK, Jesse, we as a team are taking ownership for this. Right. Like and we as a team are going to fix this. Right.

Like that's what a lot of that communicates right here. And when you do that, like that's one of those reenergizing moments or, you know, things. And then those decisions become a lot easier in my experience.

Like that's what a lot of that communicates right here. And when you do that, like that's one of those reenergizing moments or, you know, things. And then those decisions become a lot easier in my experience.

Awesome. I'm definitely curious, as you guys implement this, when you kind of come back and say, well, this works and this didn't work, or this is how we sort of had to come up with a way to Because this is a subjective thing, this is how we came up with a way to make this more objective than it originally was. And that helped us. Definitely interested in seeing this.

Awesome. I'm definitely curious, as you guys implement this, when you kind of come back and say, well, this works and this didn't work, or this is how we sort of had to come up with a way to Because this is a subjective thing, this is how we came up with a way to make this more objective than it originally was. And that helped us. Definitely interested in seeing this.

All of the pain points that you're talking about, all this homework that we have, all these coding challenges that we do. I feel like as a community, we talk about how aware we are that they don't work. But we don't have alternatives yet. And so people continue to use them regardless because they're like, well, I don't know what to do.

All of the pain points that you're talking about, all this homework that we have, all these coding challenges that we do. I feel like as a community, we talk about how aware we are that they don't work. But we don't have alternatives yet. And so people continue to use them regardless because they're like, well, I don't know what to do.

And people who are lost, you know, just run back to where they came from a lot of times, right? It's like the squirrel. It's like in the middle of the street and a car is coming. It's like, shoot, I got to go all the way back. So I kind of feel like we do a lot of that still. Yeah, there have been various things like talked about.

And people who are lost, you know, just run back to where they came from a lot of times, right? It's like the squirrel. It's like in the middle of the street and a car is coming. It's like, shoot, I got to go all the way back. So I kind of feel like we do a lot of that still. Yeah, there have been various things like talked about.

I remember, I think I've heard various people from ThoughtBot on various podcasts, like talk about the fact that like, They have you come and spend like, I don't remember if it was like a day or whatever, a half day, but like a lot of time with them pairing, right? I know that Bootcamp does that as well. Or Basecamp, sorry. Wow, whatever. Basecamp does that as well or something similar.

I remember, I think I've heard various people from ThoughtBot on various podcasts, like talk about the fact that like, They have you come and spend like, I don't remember if it was like a day or whatever, a half day, but like a lot of time with them pairing, right? I know that Bootcamp does that as well. Or Basecamp, sorry. Wow, whatever. Basecamp does that as well or something similar.

Though, actually, I remember they had an article about they did some homework or something recently. Whatever.

Though, actually, I remember they had an article about they did some homework or something recently. Whatever.

Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, I mean, there's people that are like exploring around these edges, but we don't really have like a good way forward, I feel like yet still. So I'm super interested to see how this turns out.

Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, I mean, there's people that are like exploring around these edges, but we don't really have like a good way forward, I feel like yet still. So I'm super interested to see how this turns out.