John Gafford

But I think that's why people stop being curious because they're waiting for their turn to talk.

Correct.

Yeah, initiative, enthusiasm, and curiosity.

Curiosity, okay.

What advice would you give somebody?

If somebody said, Kevin, of all your wisdom, all your years, all your stuff, boil it down, give me the three minutes that's going to change me the most.

But if you lose the attachment to it of saying it's okay if it doesn't happen, where's the, I mean, shouldn't there be disappointment?

Got it.

You know, it's funny.

I was reading something a couple of weeks ago.

I'm not even going to try to like, it was some Norwegian, uh,

And he was talking about the more desire you have for an outcome, the more the universe will stack against you to balance itself out.

That's why I don't like the word goal.

I like the word objective.

Yep.

Because I think, you know, like you look like the NFL and preseason, they'll have all the coaches standing on the podium.

They're like, coach, what's the goal this year?

Win the Super Bowl.

That coach already knows his offensive line sucks.

He already knows his team might make the playoffs, whatever.