John Ganz

And he, you know, to his advantage, he's able to to change course very quickly.

Should have bribed him.

Well, I'm sure that they probably tried and are doing something.

But I think the real people who are excelling and bribing him are the Gulf states probably.

And that may reflect the approach here.

My agent didn't seem to think it was going to be a good idea, but I convinced the publisher of it pretty quickly.

Well, Rothbard foresaw the type of politics that Trump practices as a path forward for like the hard right, which is basically a kind of what he called it at the time, right wing populism.

He was looking at David Duke running in in Louisiana and how the media kind of freaked out about it.

And he said, this is the way to do it.

You know, you go around the media, you short circuit the media and, you know, you talk directly to the people and you attack

you know, your enemies and the bureaucracy and the elites and the liberal elites.

And, you know, you get a lot of people very excited and, and, you know, it's a very bombastic style.

So he envisioned the style.

I would say the policies insofar as there's any kind of coherent background, uh,

a guy named Sam Francis, who envisioned basically a kind of US under a kind of dictatorship, but that was like a developmental dictatorship that was highly protectionist, that would try to protect American businesses, a unilateral aggressive foreign policy, an America first foreign policy.

So that was the kind of people who I saw as being harbingers or prophets of Trumpism.

Now, Trump himself, he saw Pat Buchanan and David Duke running.

He said, look, they're doing well because there's a lot of anger in this country.

And he, for a very long time, had these protectionist instincts.

Essentially, he temperamentally goes along with this ideological program, which is that