John Gruber

the cleanest sign of hope, right?

Is that every product we've seen John Ternus be part of has gotten better under his watch.

We'll see.

And potentially, I mean, there's a fascinating run of hardware coming, right?

Because the touchscreen MacBook has been rumored to be coming soon.

There is a 20th anniversary iPhone theoretically coming.

I mean, it is coming next year.

It will be the 20th anniversary of the iPhone.

Apple loves an anniversary.

What will they do there?

There's just been a lot of questions, like you said, Nilay, about what the Vision Pro is going to be.

So there's a lot of moments here where it's like, okay, actually, Apple is going to sort of put a bunch of forks in the road all at once about what it thinks about hardware.

And the first 18 months of Ternus' reign as CEO, which aren't even really his fault,

are going to be fascinating.

He's going to have to launch a lot of things that he either loves or hates, and we're going to see what happens.

But all right, we should take a break.

Nila, you and I actually have some breaking news to talk about.

But John, you can go.

You've got other stuff to do.

You have to go be mad about Tahoe.