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John Gruber

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# The **epic** story of Markdown

Like it's nice when your editor actually does italicize the text between the asterisks.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

It's nice, but it still is a monospaced font and you delete the asterisks and it deletes the italics.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

There's a line that gets crossed where it's more of a fundamentally WYSIWYG product, and yet you're typing these characters, but then there's like a view mode and an edit mode, and the view mode makes them go away.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

And it's like, no, you've gone too far.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

And now it's exactly the sort of product that Markdown...

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

The other thing Markdown was meant as an answer to was, in addition to writing raw HTML, there were the pre-Markdown WYSIWYG HTML editors.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

And they sounded great, right?

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

It's like, oh, you just hit Command-I and you get italics text.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

But the problem was, how do you go back to the end of an italicized word and you want to add in word, but no, I don't want it to be italics anymore.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

I want the italics to end.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

What do I do?

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

Where's the thing?

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

And that's where having little punctuation characters that you can just delete.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

Either it's there or it's not, and you delete it, and then the italics stops.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

So I think what Apple did with Apple Notes is actually great, where they didn't turn it into a Markdown editor where you type Markdown, but what they've done is let you copy Markdown out or export as Markdown.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

which is great.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

I think that's actually very appropriate for Apple Notes.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

I'm now, like I said, put the brakes on this.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

Don't expose it to people.

The Vergecast
# The **epic** story of Markdown

People should have, the Apple Notes app should just be WYSIWYG, where you just say italics, header, and it's an actual menu item.