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Didn't hurt me one bit, Adam. I do my job. Cincinnati's better than Xavier right now.

I got a job to do, Adam. So, Adam, you call me up. This is when it's over. And you want to tell me it must hurt me to rank somebody over somebody else?

Yeah, they've been a better program. They've kicked Cincinnati's butt. They've been a better program by a wide margin. Frankly, Cincinnati, we've been waiting for this version of Cincinnati. Cincinnati's been their butt to be kicked. You're using the past couple years. No, no, no, no, no. You're using the past couple years. That's your argument? Xavier's been better than Cincinnati in every facet.

There's a media bias. I go off score. The scores of the game were Xavier over Cincinnati. You want to tell me about how I feel about stuff? I don't lose sleep over where I rank a team. I lose sleep over whether I took the trash out on time, whether I picked up the right groceries for my wife if I'm taking care of her right now, and the Cleveland Browns.

I didn't lose any sleep over them, Adam, but I might lose sleep because of you. Happy Thanksgiving.

No, you don't get to salvage the call.

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Yeah.

Yeah.

Whatever.

I'm going to go to bed. I'm going to go to bed, guys. I'm kind of tired. See y'all tomorrow.

Browns Broncos.

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Have the 76ers won another game?

yeah i guess yeah he has evaluated all of them that's a fair point i listen i think drake may is very good we're going to talk about it actually more and i i said something about drake may that is a very high compliment in the picks and preview but just you asked my opinion yeah i did no well i did fuck that's i did i asked that's what i was watching this game is terrible i did ask his opinion what's your opinion about the game

Fact check. They did not lose to the Bears. They beat the Bears. But also, and a double fact check, that was before the Bears quit. That's true. The Bears quit at the last play of the Cardinals game, at halftime.

Yeah, Toledo, Maction.

And it looks like you guys have finally – like Vic Fangio's defense, you know when it starts to work, and it's starting to work.

We are the national media. Correct. So now we've fixed that. We talk a lot about rookies.

It was a lot of dump-offs.

Where were his shot plays? Because he's been throwing those so perfectly.

You also, and we do this every single week, and I think that there's maybe sometimes, because people listen to this at Friday morning, When we have to record right after a loss, it is always a different mindset than tomorrow morning. When you get us right after a loss, it will always be the worst and most overreacting thing.

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Hold on. Before you do this, you should say that it's because we're a national podcast.

Because we're a national podcast, Zach Bond has also been great.

Zach Bond played great tonight. Badger.

Would you like to, Hank, national podcast? Anything?

Luka had a great game tonight. National podcast. Oh, okay. Hey, national podcast. Real quick. National podcast. We should shout out the Cleveland Cavaliers. They're 13-0. National podcast. That's pretty crazy. 13-0. National podcast. I'm looking at the standings right now. It's like, you thought the Celtics would be there. The Magic are good. The Knicks. But... The Cavs, 13-0.

Yeah, how about that? And it's like, I mean, the Pistons are in there. The Bulls are the sixth seed. There must be a... Oh, the Sixers are 2-9? National podcast.

National podcast. 2-9. National podcast. The Sixers are 2-9. Almost. Do you hear Max today?

That was almost your third win?

National podcast.

Yeah. National podcast. I'm very excited. Tonight is, I think, Alabama versus Purdue in college basketball. I believe. National podcast. That's going to be a great game. Love Purdue.

We do half years. National podcast. Love the podcast. Raise awareness. Love that. You should not do one and a half. You should do 18 months. 18 months. Just to throw people off. How many trimesters is that? Like, my dog is 18 months. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, you should do months for Blake until he's like six years old. Bring that up naturally somewhere tomorrow.

I'll be like, yeah, Blake is 18 months. I will.

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You can't do that this quickly.

Week 11 in the NFL. They did. I love this every time they release this because it's basically a pervert stat. It's the what if NFL standings have been released. Mm-hmm. So what if every one possession NFL game had the opposite result? Who do you think would be first in the AFC? The Indianapolis Colts. No, it would actually be the Cincinnati Bengals would be eight and two. Eight and two.

And last would be the Kansas City Chiefs, two and seven. Fascinating. Because they have played all one score games. In the NFC.

Yeah, what if every win was a loss? Yeah. What if standings for the NFC, Tampa Bay would be 7-3. That's the big notable switch. Also, the Giants would be 6-4. And then the saddest part about this is the Carolina Panthers would be 1-9. So they would actually get worse.

They would get worse. That's when you get blown out. The Jets would be five and five memes. Still in it.

No, five and five. The Jets would be five and five. You reverse all one score games. Oh, we stink. Would that make them top five? No, they'd be out of the playoffs. Even in this what if fantastical standings. We shock you. Yeah, in a fantasy land. You can't stink in a fantasy land. I just always like looking at those because it is very funny just being like, yeah, what if everything was different?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So let's start with it. Oh, let me – someone, a listener said, could you guys please say the line when you say the game? And I will start doing that. Thank you to DraftKings. So we will start. Let me pull up the current lines. Let's start.

Yeah, so it's – we'll start with the Ravens at the Steelers.

OK, so this to me is I'm very excited for this game because it will tell us a lot about the Steelers. I think the Ravens, I believe, are going to be there no matter what, because their offense feels unstoppable. The Steelers, if they win this game. Why not? Yeah, why not? Why not, Steelers? I already think why not. I'm very close to thinking why not.

I would like to see it, especially it's Russell Wilson against the Ravens defense. Kyle Hamilton's out, so their secondary is banged up. Has not been great all year. Their run defense is elite. So what happens when Russell Wilson wins? If the Steelers can't run the ball, what's going to happen? This, though, is a strictly numbers game. because here are the stats, and it's ridiculous.

So this is 36th time Tomlin and Harbaugh have played against each other. It's second all-time only to George Halas and Curly Lambeau. Over the last 20 years, the underdog in this series is 28-10-3, 74% against the spread. And Mike Tomlin is a dog against Harbaugh. He's 12-2-2. And then also here are the final margins of the games between the Steelers and Ravens since 2020.

7 points, 7 points, 3 points, 2 points, 3 points, 1 point, 5 points, 4 points. These teams just play tight games.

I don't know the answer, but I like... If that is the answer... I like where he's at in that answer. Yeah, he's probably very happy. That's a good life. That's a really good life. He's living off the land. Like a guy who had a cup of coffee in the NFL, started an NFL game as quarterback named Duck Hodges, cleans up in Nashville. Cleans up.

That's just a fact.

Yeah, we have, by the way, we have eight games and we only have seven TVs that we look at. We have obviously the eighth TV off to our left. So I think what we're going to do is just put one game on the eighth TV off to the left.

Do you guys want a crazy Lamar Jackson stat?

I have one. This is from Dry Defender RS. Uh... Lamar Jackson, so last week the Ravens were down 21-7, I believe, at halftime. That was the first time in 40 consecutive starts for Lamar Jackson. So where he plays the majority of the game, because obviously he's come out for diarrhea a few times. 40 consecutive games without trailing by more than 10 points. Wow. That's insane.

He also is currently still on his streak of 40. So this would be the 41st game without losing by more than 7. And Lamar, like, that's insane. They just don't get blown, like, the Ravens just don't get blown out.

And Lamar's been incredible. And I wonder, did the Steelers maybe show too much keeping Jaden Daniels in the pocket?

Yeah. He's elite. He might be spying. That's what Jerry told us. He said Patrick Queen's going to spy Lamar Jackson.

Are you saying an actual snake, or is this something that Russell Wilson did, and he's corny? Do you think he had one of those fake snakes, and he used it as a motivation? If I said to you, hey, Russell Wilson put a fake snake in his locker and said it's mamba mentality time, would you think I made that up?

I'm laughing at Hank's laugh.

Yeah, I know. But if he had said that.

Yeah.

Yeah, that also happened. Yeah. 100% happened. Okay. I agree with you. I like the Steelers in this game. Next game, Packers or Bears. Go on. Longest winning streak in the NFL. Matt LaFleur's never lost to the Bears. He's 10-0. Okay, so this is not correct.

This is not right or justified, but this is the way that I have to mentally get myself to a point where I can think the Bears can beat the Packers on Sunday. Shane Waldron is the antichrist. Shane Waldron caused all the problems. Shane Waldron, every war tragedy, anything you can think of in history, Shane Waldron was the issue behind it. Uh, that's the only, again, not right, not justified.

Shane Waldron, probably a very nice guy. Not a great football coach, but that doesn't matter. He's gone. And the only way I can tell myself that the Bears have a chance is that Shane Waldron was deliberately holding the Bears back in every capacity. And now everything's going to be different going forward. Also, Keenan Allen's quote where he said Shane Waldron was just too nice of a guy.

You die? You laugh when people die? I don't, but you know how sometimes... Sounds like you do.

That feels like... It's all a mess.

Yeah. So what the Bears are doing and we've made this joke before that, you know, Sean McVay has such a great track record that it became a part of the NFL ecosystem that like if you got Sean McVay's coffee, you got a job. The Bears are testing that theory because Shane Waldron, I think his highest level for the Rams was passing game coordinator, and he's gone.

And now we have Thomas Brown, whose highest level for Sean McVay was assistant head coach and tight ends coach. Now, wasn't Thomas Brown, didn't he call plays for the Panthers last year? For three weeks, and then Frank Reich took it back. Yeah.

So we are really going to the bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the barrel of if you were in the same room as Sean McVay, you know how to call NFL offense. I don't think he does, but the Bears at least are testing the theory. Yeah, it's somebody new. Yes, Hank?

A movie or a TV show?

There's been a lot of reports. There's been a lot of bad reports. I also saw recently.

Yeah, I've done that clip a hundred times.

What does the clip say? It says everything I've said a million times over, but I'll say it real quick again. They've basically, since firing Lovie Smith, they've gotten every timeline wrong. Phil Emery hired Mark Trestman. Mark Trestman leave. Phil Emery stayed. John Fox drafted Mitch Trubisky, fired John Fox after a year. Then it was Matt Nagy. I get my maths confused.

who was there, so John Fox drafted, John Fox didn't even know he was drafting Mitch Trubisky, Ryan Pace did, and then Matt Eberflus came on, inherited Mitch Trubisky, never drafted Mitch Trubisky, didn't want Mitch Trubisky, and then Mitch Trubisky's gone, and they drafted Justin Fields, and Matt Nagy then gets fired, and Matt Eberflus inherits Justin Fields, didn't want Justin Fields, drafted Caleb Williams, and then he's going to get fired, and whoever the next guy is is going to inherit Caleb Williams, probably not wanting Caleb.

Yeah, just never actually hiring the right thing at the right time. At the same time.

Yeah, it's a shit show. Hey, guys, it's a shit show. And it's the Packers. Shock the world. I told you, by Sunday morning, I'm going to believe that we're going to win this game because I haven't connected all the dots, but where was Shane Waldron on 9-11?

Just asking. Did you see, by the way, did you see, so Carl blogged it, but there was an entire blog. He found, I think it was a Reddit post that essentially was like, Paul Skeens is a sociopath. That's why he's so good at baseball. And they backtracked when he was born. And the theory is that his parents had sex on 9-11. The butterfly effect?

And they basically, like, blocked out all the noise of 9-11 and created Paul Skeens.

It was just... Yeah, you don't know the exact time. But, yeah, it was... People have way too much time on their hands. But I did think it was interesting. He was born mad. Yeah.

I mean, it was a sociopath in a good way. Like, he's... Locked in. He's so locked in that he, like... His ability to lock in and outside noise and just mow down hitters, that's why he's elite. It wasn't a bad thing for him.

Max, you're not talking yet. Max, I'm the coach of the show now. I'm going to talk over everyone. Now I'm laughing at PFT.

Yeah. Okay. I don't have anything else in this game. The Packers are going to kill us.

Nothing made sense.

It's all, I mean, everything you said is correct, whether they do it.

Probably not.

The guy, he's mentally locked up because Matt Eberflus is a fucking idiot. And they're just doofuses. And Kevin Warren tried to cancel Big Ten because of COVID. And he's the one who's calling the shots. And it's just, I hate everything. Everything sucks. We're just back in an exact same spot.

Offensive line, not been great. It would be nice. I actually wouldn't hate it, too, if Caleb Williams threw an interception in this game because maybe he would be taking a shot that actually was close to someone.

It's a disaster. We're walking into a disaster. Also, our good friend Bear Down Cuz is going to come on the stream on Sunday from Bob Does Sports Universe. He came last year. Yeah, great dude. So he'll be with us on the stream. So at least we'll have an extra. They're going to be on no sound. I just, whatever. We'll see. We'll see. They suck. They suck. Everything sucks.

The organization is a joke. They've ruined Caleb Williams' socks.

Being a fraud, I'm loving life as a fraud. Let me, real quick, I want to just go around the room. I'm holding a number underneath my chair. One to ten. Ten being wins a Super Bowl. One being he's out of the league in like a year and a half. What do you think about the future of Caleb Williams?

That's a lie. I said be honest.

Okay.

And it's not Caleb Williams. The organization is a fucking joke.

No, well, we hired the worst offensive coordinator on the market.

I mean, Jackson, Smith, and Jacob laughed when he got hired. We all knew this was going to happen. It's not revisionist history. It's just wishful thinking that went totally awry. Okay, Raiders and Dolphins. We are back to Gardner Minshew. What were you going to say, Max? You had something else?

You were looking at me like you wanted to say something.

I love Caleb Williams.

I appreciate you guys being nice. I really do as friends. You don't have to.

It's bad, but I'm not trading him.

And Shane Waldron was the reason for all of this. Raiders at Dolphins. Line. Oh, we got it right there.

Okay. Yeah, Hank, you do the lines.

Okay, Hank will do the lines. So we're back to Gardner Minshew. Also... We have to be full disclosure. I think I speak for both of us, PFT, when I say that we're rooting for the Raiders offense to have some success because our friend Scott Turner is now the OC. Yep. We like Scott Turner.

Bold with Scott Turner in the 2019 Final Four in Minneapolis. I said Minneapolis. Minneapolis had a great night, great time. Knows brother, too, so we love the Turners. Yep. I don't know how the Raiders are going to be able to run the ball, though, and I think that's what Scott Turner wants to do.

Also, Tua said he would do it again when going headfirst into a tackle.

I think we have to stop the hand-wringing about Tua. I know that everyone wanted him to maybe walk away. Tua knows what Tua knows at this point. I mean, if he's going to jump headfirst into people, it's like, what are you going to do? Yeah. What are you going to do?

He wants to play football. You can't stop someone. I'm a believer in freedom of choice. You should be able to do this.

I think this game, the Dolphins are second in pass blocking. The Raiders are 29th in pass rush. But the Raiders do do a good job. They do the Chiefs defense where they just don't let explosives down the field. I think it might be a little tighter. I just don't know how the Raiders offense does anything. And it's not because of Scott Turner. He's a very good play caller.

Okay. Next game. Colts at Jets. Colts at Jets line, Hank. That was your only job.

Max has them pulled up. I haven't pulled up. Hanks out. Okay. Max. Damn. Colts and Jets. Memes. Jeff Ulbrich said to the team that they're going to return to fundamentals of tackling and be in pads, and they needed a tackling presentation for the team before practice. What do we think about that?

Who told you that? Tyson Bajonstad?

Okay, memes. Here's some good news for you. When Aaron Rodgers was asked if he's going to play in 2025, he said, I think so, yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of fired up.

This is really bad for me, too, because the Jets and Bears are in equal hell, so you being fired up just shows how ridiculous I am whenever I get fired up.

I said kind of fired up.

Let's put it in this analogy, okay? So I have a garage at home, and every now and then I'll forget to hit the garage door when I leave. If my wife texted me and said, did you hit the garage door? And I say, I think so, yeah. She's like, fuck, he didn't do it. Yeah. I think so, yeah, is not a good. That's a lot of no and I think so, yeah. I mean, you got to see how the team looks in the offseason.

Did you remember to do this? I think so, yeah. That's pretty much, well, now I have to go. Did you remember to turn off the oven? I think so, yeah.

Memes, are the Jets dead right now? Technically, no. Okay, the answer there was I think so, yeah. You never know. Because that gives you a little no.

They got killed by the Cardinals. They got smoked. Memes, I'm living one week ahead of you. We got smoked by the Cardinals, and I was like, it's over. We walked into that Patriots game. I was like, we're going to lose this game. You need to get in line. The Cardinals are just graveyarding teams.

He's actually right. We can't stop the run.

That would be crazy if Shane Sikingen didn't throw a pass.

The problem that Shane Steichen... I always thought that benching Anthony Richardson, we've talked about this, it was kind of weird because... You're probably not a playoff team, but then they're like, maybe we are a playoff team. You don't want to lose the locker room, get the whatever. The problem was they said that Joe Flacco was the starter going forward.

They should have just said, Anthony Richardson needs a couple games to get his head on right. And then you go back to him. Because now you're going back to him. essentially saying we're not going to the playoffs.

Yeah.

They should flip a coin and just take all, just be like, hey, we're just going to go this way. That way no one loses their confidence.

Right?

I think so, yeah.

I think so, yeah, is actually a great answer because you just give yourself such a great out.

Like, yeah, well, I didn't say yes. I said, I think so, yeah.

Did you see the deep dive into Aaron Rodgers on ESPN? Did you read that article? I did not. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't anything new. It was basically like, this guy, he's a legend. He's hurt. He doesn't have his mobility. And I think the biggest issue is that he demands perfection.

And a lot of the players in talking about it, like they were talking to offensive linemen, wide receivers, that you have to be perfect and on his wavelength. And he doesn't always explain what his wavelength is. What does wavelength mean? You got to know where he wants you. He wants everything specific.

He wants to know that you're going to be at this spot, at this location, at this part of the drop, all that stuff. It's the Mike Williams play that ended that game against the Bills.

Yeah, but they don't have one.

I didn't realize he referred to Nathaniel Hackett as his best friend. I didn't realize he was his best friend. Yeah. That's crazy. Best friend. Too nice of a guy. Too nice of a guy. Okay. Next up, Browns at Saints. Max.

No, I think I went off of how ESPN had him listed. Okay, Brown Saints. I love the Browns in this game. I think we're back with Jameis.

Actually, I was looking back at the game on Sunday, the Falcons and the Saints. I actually think the interim bump ended at halftime, but they were able to hold on. Because if you look at that game... The Falcons outgained him by over 100 yards. The Falcons had, I think it was 11 more first downs. The Falcons ran for 181 yards on the Saints. The Saints just got off to a hot start.

They went with passion and fight, and then they were able to hold on to the last second. That was a little misleading. The Browns coming off a bye. Nick Chubb now feels like he might be fully. This might be the Nick Chubb's all the way back game.

Yes, he has to. So, yeah, I mean, I just think the Saints are 30th in pass blocking. The Browns are fourth in pass rush. The Saints can't stop the run. The Browns are going to want to try to run. I'm backing on Jameis. Backing on Jameis.

Yeah. Okay. Rams at Patriots. Rams minus four and a half at the Patriots you know what next week when I write all these down I'll just write down on my notes the line so I can just read it right from my notes that was my mistake but it could change but it could change it could change could change Hank

I think they're going to fight. I think the Bears quit, so I think that was a little misleading.

Not from Drake May. I think Drake May is pretty good. I think Drake May is like, he's kind of got a little Josh Allen. He likes to take off. And a couple, you know, the interceptions, if you can, Josh Allen threw a lot of interceptions the first year, like bring him down. I'm not saying he's Josh Allen, but I like Drake May, what I've seen. I'm talking more about the Patriots defense.

They had nine sacks, which was, you know, they had 16 going into the week against the Bears, and then they had nine against the Bears.

Yeah. Yeah, the Rams. Yeah, it felt like that was the week they got healthy, but not all they need a game under it. Yeah. And the Rams have to win. Like, they are still very much alive. What's the weather going to be like, though? That is... Rams cross country. That's a long trip.

Yeah, I saw the clips. I have to watch the whole episode.

He does. So you're going to watch season two.

I did see that Kirk had a full movie theater packed to watch it, which is very funny.

So I got to watch that. I haven't caught up on any TV. I've started like six different shows.

I heard that was good.

I'm not even close to it. I started the Menendez thing, maybe two episodes, haven't gone back to it.

I know, but I can't. I just can't. I start it, and then football comes back on. Penguin. Penguin's good. Penguin.

Yeah. That does. Okay. Next up. So, Hank, optimistic. Also excited to watch Drake May.

I think that's fair. I'm glad that you're excited finally. Yeah. You finally got what we were telling you.

If he gets hurt, watching rookie quarterbacks can be fun.

You're turning it off. Yeah. Okay. Vikings at Titans. Vikings at Titans, Max.

Yeah, you were quick with that. I don't know what to make of this game because I still believe in the Titans' defense, and I think Sam Darnold's slipping, but I also know that Brian Flores is probably going to cause massive havoc.

Yeah. I kind of want to take the Titans in the first half. They've played good football in the first 30 minutes of every game. Not every game, but a lot of the games, and then they just fall apart.

Yeah, Max just pulled up. The Titans are still first in defensive yards allowed. They're also 11th in DVOA. They're a good defense. Everything else, I don't know what to make.

That was also the Lions, though.

And that was Jameer Gibbs' 80-yard rush.

That's perfect.

Oh, my God, is that perfect.

I'm mad I didn't think about that. That couldn't be a more perfect fit.

18 times. 18 times they've been 13-plus point underdogs since 2010. To put it into perspective, since 1970, the Pittsburgh Steelers have been 13-plus point underdogs one single time. That's quite something. That's quite something. They pay these guys to play football too. But this is Doug Peterson's firing game. It's a bye week next week. Trevor Lawrence is hurt. Mac Jones is going again.

I have this circled as quit watch.

Mac Jones is 4-15 against the spread in his last 19 starts as an underdog.

It feels like a blowout early and then a quit because if you're going to fire Doug Peterson in season, it's going to be after playing the Lions, going on a bye week. That all just kind of tracks, right? Yeah. And the Lions, I think they're the— I think they're the number one team I would trust with a double-digit spread in the NFL right now.

The fourth and two that you didn't go for the field goal, which I agreed with, that was the game because you had second and one, and they stood up on three straight plays.

Yeah, and it also feels like the Lions are just like, they're so dialed in, they're just push, push, push. What was that face, Hank? You're going to take the Jaguars? I think so.

I like you releasing that, though. That was for free, just so AWLs know. Hank just released his The NFL Makes No Sense Game of the Year. You're talking Moneyline?

You got him out of his system. Agreed. Agreed. Okay. Oh, you want a crazy stat? This is a mind-blowing stat that I found. Aiden Hutchinson is still fifth in the NFL in total pressure.

That's pretty nuts. They were saying that he probably would have broken the all-time record if he stayed healthy. He hasn't played in weeks. Also, this is from Sports Info Solutions. The Jaguars have given up 11 yards a play versus play-action passes this year. 31st. The Lions are pretty damn good at play-action passes. But the NFL makes no sense game of the year. So now I'm in a pickle.

So that was phenomenal.

Okay, so I'm very close to now releasing my Doug Peterson is going to get fired after this game, game of the year. very close and here's the only thing I'll say to you Hank I know what you're saying there is always one or two of these games can I interest you in a different option for this sure The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Buffalo Bills. They're 10-0.

Next week, they play the Carolina Panthers.

Jack Mack, our guy Jack Mack, I just saw him tweeting about it that I guess it's like a trend on TikTok right now that people are making memes about the Panthers ending the Chiefs.

undefeated like that calling their shot it's like yeah like everyone's just making hype videos a week and a half in advance i like that listen the panthers have 14 days to get ready for the chiefs yeah what's yeah what's dangerous with 14 which bryce young's record off a long breast dave canales is dangerous with 14 days dangerous i just like that the internet's getting ahead of this i it would be i mean it'd be so funny if it happened and they just called their shot

Yeah. This would be a shocking, shocking result if this happens. All right, Memes is going to find one for us before we... Yeah, I'd agree. It does feel like they haven't played.

Panthers and Chiefs also. Yeah, big time. Yeah, big time they haven't played each other. All right, so before we watch this video and get to the afternoon games. Hey, it's John Gruden.

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Yeah. He should keep the sunglasses on. Looks like he got pink eye. Okay, so... Jaden Daniels didn't play well, but he's a rookie. Yeah. And he had a bad rookie game. Who cares? Yeah. It doesn't... That was a tough divisional game. You said it before. I think we all knew it going in. The Eagles have a better roster. They do. Like, that's just a fact.

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You got this? Okay, so before we do the afternoon games, I want to see the memes that are going around about the Panthers ending the Chiefs perfectly, which, again, is 10 days early because they might have a— Oh, Max just had to do a are you a human drag the slide thing. All right, let's see this. Who's going to stop the Chiefs three-peat?

I like that the Panthers have their swag back a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah, because we haven't seen this fight from the Panthers in forever. Oh, hero. It's Bryce Young. He's throwing one of his multiple touchdown passes he's thrown. I love this. I love this. Good spiral. That was maybe a preseason game. This is great.

Yeah. Okay. So good luck to the Panthers in the that might be my the NFL makes no sense game of the year. Yeah. Okay. Afternoon games. We have the Falcons at the Broncos. I think the Broncos are going to get off the mat here and respond very well, and I think the Broncos are going to win this game, and I think we're going to be like, what's up with the Falcons? Can they win a game?

The Broncos are two and a half point favorites. Here's why I like the Broncos in this game. The Falcons cannot rush the passer at all. 30 second and pass rush. They don't blitz. They don't do anything. They just don't get to the passer. Bo Nix, with time, lethal, Bo Leavers. I think this whole podcast, are we all Bo Leavers now? I've been a Bo Leaver since week one.

I've gone back and forth, but I'm officially a Bo Leaver. And the Broncos are good.

A pass blocking, yeah. I mean, I've been scarred by Bo Nix in college, so it took me a little bit, but I'm now a Bo Leaver, fully. Welcome aboard. Yeah, I feel good about being there. Bo Leaver. I don't know what to make of the Falcons.

Yeah, that makes sense.

I would like to Bronco. I would like to the Bucks to maybe get that spot because I feel like the Bucks are more. I just like Baker. Yeah, I just love Baker.

So it's not... To win that game would have been very difficult. You have the Cowboys, the Titans, and the Saints coming up. You're still a Yoss team. Yep. So... You know, pick yourself up.

He needs the Falcons bad.

You need the Falcons bad. You need the Chargers bad too, right? And then you would be – that would make you almost all the way back.

Yeah. But if you get those, you would be... If the Bengals... Obviously, the Colts would have to lose because you have to win. You'd be one game back, memes. And we have a bye after the Colts. Oh... Wow. Get some people healthy.

Okay, I might believe in this, too.

Yeah, he should. Absolutely. Okay. Seahawks at Niners. Seahawks at Niners. Niners, Seahawks off a bye. The Seahawks, we talked about the Dolphins cutting their captain. The Seahawks cut their leading tackler, which is a little weird. Linebacker Tyrell Dodson doesn't really make sense. Geno Smith has never beaten Kyle Shanahan.

But if we're going off of what team needs something more, the Seahawks, this does kind of feel like their season. They have to win this game.

But their red zone is bad. Red zone is bad. Below 50%. One of six teams that are below 50%.

Yeah, the NFC West, no one's run away with it. So, yeah, the Niners are going to be in a fine spot. I just, yeah, this is the Seahawks season. Off a bye, you got the spot, you're playing in the division. If you can find a way to win this, your season's still alive. If you lose this, it's going to be big, big trouble.

Yeah, cutting your leading tackler, cutting your team captain, weird moves. Yep. All right, last one. I'm the captain now. In the afternoon, the best one, Chiefs at Bills. Chiefs at Bills. We should start, as always, Patrick Mahomes is 12-1-1 against the spread as an underdog. That needs to be said. That needs to be said. That needs to be said. That needs to be said again. 12-1-1 as an underdog.

The Chiefs are winning games by the skin of their teeth. Are they playing with fire? I don't know because the...

Right now. They've played with fire. They've dabbled in fire. They've dabbled in fire. They've lit a match. The Broncos game last week was definitely dabbling with fire. That was definitely like a little kid lighting some grass on fire being like, ooh, this is cool. Yeah. Also, sometimes playing with fire just kicks ass.

But it's not. It's because Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes, and it's Andy Reid, that if it were any other team, I think we'd be like, they're fraudulent. because they keep getting these crazy endings. But you can't say the Chiefs are fraudulent because they've done it before, and they might just be, like you said, tough.

Yeah, I agree. I'm worried about... So Keon Coleman, I believe, is out. Dalton Kincaid is most likely out. Amari Cooper is trying to come back. It does feel like a lot of... That's a lot of guys that the Bills need to be full strength. And again, Patrick Holmes is an underdog. God damn it.

The one thing that makes me bullish on the Bills here, Sports Info Solutions has the Chiefs Blitz the fourth most in the NFL. Josh Allen has been the most efficient quarterback against the Blitz this season.

But in my brain. But we also haven't had the week 11 yet. Yep. It was if loss. But what about the 49ers?

He does. Did you guys see Matt Collins' quote? It's the most, like, trying to inspire yourself for no fucking reason quote of all time. He said that he does not take elevators on away trips and on game days because no one is going to carry him to success. I like that.

He said when they get to the hotel, there'll be someone from the team who will be standing by the stairs being like, Mac, this way.

I'm fine with it. We have an elevator here in this office. We have two floors.

Took the elevators. Success. Okay. Yeah, I'm so excited to watch this game. I just keep getting burned. Wait, what is this? Harrison Bucker's hurt? Harrison Bucker is out.

Oh, that's actually huge. Oh, I might be Bills now because this does feel like a field goal game.

Oh, he's going to be incredible. That's our kicker. We don't have a kicker on the roster.

It didn't change at all. It went from 80% to 79%.

A one-game sample size for a kicker?

And now I'm back on the Chiefs because, Hank, what is this game? The blood, whatever you said? Blood magic. Blood magic. The Jets practice squad kicker kicking a, like, 57-yarder to beat the Bills. Of course. And Anders Carlsen missing a kick to beat the Colts. Those two things are going to happen. Don't forget about that one game, though.

Just a little bit of adversity. Yeah. Just a little bit of adversity. uh me memes you crack me up memes he so he was on the the he did not have a game oh he was five for five in two games i believe it was two games

Yeah, it was two games total. He was five for five.

on today's part in my take we have our newest co-worker john freaking gruden in studio to talk to us about football we're going to do nfl week 11 picks in preview we got all of our picks we got fantasy fuck boys we got fire fest and we have thursday night football recap eagles and commanders and

Okay, last game on Sunday. Bengals at Chargers. Boys, this is a huge one for our Chargers.

Yeah.

Yeah. He's a beast. He loves them. Bengals 27th in pass blocking, Chargers 6th in pass rush. I also just think the Bengals. So I was thinking about it more because I don't want to give up on the Bengals. But I'm also thinking about giving up on the Bengals because are we getting fooled a little bit by the Bengals playing the Ravens really close twice?

Maybe they're just built to play against the Ravens. Because their other wins are against the Panthers, Giants, Deshaun Watson, and Raiders. And in our heads, we're like, but they basically beat the Ravens twice.

I'm excited for this game. It's a great Sunday night game because it's basically if the Chargers win this game, they basically end the Bengals season. The Bengals win this, they're back.

Yeah. Is T. Higgins going to play? Is he ever going to play again? Feels like he's making a business decision.

Yeah. I feel like there's maybe a little business decision, which he should do. Mm-hmm. If you don't give a new contract, why wouldn't you be like, I'm not going to get injured more on a season. I'm going to wait until I'm 100% healthy. That's so funny watching the Bengals having to cross the street. It's brutal.

Max, from your perspective, break down this game because obviously you were nervous. You were very nervous going into this game. You can tell when Max is nervous. He kind of slapped me on the back at one point. This was like three hours before the game.

Our friend John Gruden, who's coming up, did point out that the quarterbacks they played have not been great. That's true. So you have to play that game. In fairness, you have to play that game as well where you're like, okay, they beat up on some bad quarterbacks, and Joe Burrow is a really, really, really, really good quarterback. I don't know. This game's great. I'm just going to enjoy it.

You know what? I think Vegas got it right. I like that. I think Vegas got it right. Hats off, Vegas. I actually don't think I'm going to bet this game because we have our Chargers future. So we have bet this game. This game is massive for the Chargers.

Oh, Hank. I added more. 35. I'm just a Harbaugh guy. What can I say? You didn't cash out with Travis Hunter, did you? No. Oh, nice. Okay. I can't. No, you can't. Okay. You physically can't or you won't?

I was going to say, you won't do that to us.

Okay, let's do our touchdown prop parlay, and let's do our picks.

Touchdown parlay list. Hit one. I lost. Hank, back in. Hank, back in. I'll go J.K. Dobbins. We'll leave it up to the night game. Let's get the first two legs.

Someone told, an AWL tweeted me after the show on Friday. He's like, what you guys put in was doomed to fail because you had no conviction. So let's have conviction.

Yeah, bouncing around. He was basically a little kid that needed a weighted blanket for the last three hours before kickoff.

We're trying to get one through the hoop.

Hank, conviction.

No, let's get three. Let's get three. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. Okay. We got to do our picks, too. What are the standings? We're all bad. I'm hot.

But what are the standings? I'm 500. Me and Hank. And you're in first? Yep. So we're all bad.

Number one is 500.

Okay. We are bad. That's bad. We're bad. No one over 500 is bad. It's okay to be bad. All right. Who's up first?

Fun, fun, fun. Fun in the sun.

Shit. I wanted that.

I know.

You're a son of a bitch.

It's true. I'll take the Denver Broncos minus 2.5 against the Atlanta Falcons.

Okay. I'll take Seahawks Niners over 40.

I love complimenting each other on picks when we're just so bad.

So my question to you, though, is the game, the Eagles, I want to hear how you feel about the Eagles, but I also want you to hear how you feel about Jaden Daniels because you were nervous about Jaden Daniels, and he has been very good this year, and he's going to be in your division for a very long time. That was your first dance with him. Tell us where your head's at.

Panic pick. I mean, that could easily be a 34 to 3 game. Yeah, it could, for sure. That would be an under. Maybe Caleb's good now.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't like that. What's the weather like on Sunday? It's going to be nice. I think it's going to be nice, yeah.

All right, let's finish up with Fantasy Fuckboys, and we'll go to our interview with John Gruden in person, our newest co-worker.

Guy cleans up.

Oh, Lazard people. What's up, guys? What's up, fuckers? It's Tony Macaroni. Hey, Tony.

Tony Macaroni. Hey, Tony.

You like that? Yeah. What time is this game being played? That's Monday night. So there's no sun involved? No sun involved. My cinema is used in Texas because they've had not one, not two, but possibly three players only meetings in the last five days.

That's way too many players only. We just call that practice. Yeah. And my sleeper is daylight savings time. Set your clocks back this week. Everyone, it's going to suck, but you lose that hour of sleep. Daylight savings time. Make sure you set your clock Saturday night. Seriously, though, make sure you set your clock. Saturday night. Very important. I forgot last week. I know. I know.

I know you did because you were late.

Literally all week. You were one hour late. I know. It sucked. It was nuts. You'd show up exactly one hour late. Reverse Coughlin time. Yeah. Okay. Let's get to our interview with John Gruden, and then we'll finish up with Firefest of the Week. No Bull is known for their best-in-class, award-winning footwear with options across training and lifestyle.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest and our newest co-worker. It is Super Bowl champion, Coach John Gruden. First of all, congrats and welcome to the Pirate Ship. This is a pinch me moment for myself because obviously John Gruden, you know, you grew up watching him on the sidelines and obviously Monday Night Football, the Raiders. And now you're a coworker.

Does that now diminish your legacy? No. That you are sitting in the room with us?

Are you kidding me? I really, it's like a dream for me. I mean, you talk about a new life. I don't know that much about anything other than sitting in a dark room. Yeah. But being a, you know, coming down here to Chicago, seeing this facility, hanging out with Portnoy, getting on this show with you guys, and being a part of this team is awesome. I'm excited about it.

I know I got a long way to go and a lot to prove, but...

with your help yeah i know i can it's your number one draft pick yeah it's also a genius move from your perspective as well because you like i think there's a a group of fans what was your years that you did monday night football 10 i think it was 2009 i did it for nine years yeah so 18 so like you know it's been what six seven years so people forget that you are

part of the best booth in broadcasting and now you get to you know you get to basically get reintroduced to the internet age like people need more gruden we're gonna give them more gruden i'm gonna do my best i tell you though this this this whole operation for the fans that haven't seen it

to walk in here and see it, it's really incredible. The facility, the kind of people that you've hired, the passionate sports fans. There is no clock that you guys punch. Everybody just kind of does their own thing. It's an amazing operation. I'm proud to be here.

Yeah, it's been very funny. PFT, you just walked in, but people have been going up to Gruden, and he's gotten the introduction to everyone and their interesting weird tics and everything because – Jerry immediately said, are you wearing Creed? So he spotted Gruden's cologne. Big T went up to him and was like, I have to ask you right now, how close were you taking the Tennessee job?

Mincy has tried to hire him to the Saints. He's just getting like... Wait till you meet Frank the Tank.

And then we've got a big game tonight. That's what I'm most excited about, the Commanders heading into Philly. So it'll be an awesome night. I'm fired up.

No, I do love Hooters. I did love Hooters when Hooters was in their heyday. But my wife cheered at Tennessee. I love Tennessee. I was a graduate coach there. And I did talk to the athletic director. And I don't look up to anybody more than I look up to Peyton Manning and Kenny Chesney. Those are two of my favorite Tennessee guys. And I was very interested in doing it.

It's true. By the way, I would still cut off a knot for that line. Jane Daniels, 22 for 32, 191 yards, one touchdown, one interception. I would fucking— If you told me that was Caleb's line on Sunday, I'd sign me the fuck up. Plus the drops. How many of those yards were it?

But at that time, I was having so much fun on Monday Night Football with Mike Tirico, I couldn't take any other job.

Yeah. You did have that stretch where it was like every year, it was like, well, Gruden's open. That had to feel good. It was every single year it felt like they'd be like, well, there's an opening, Gruden.

Well, they fire so many coaches now, Big Cat. I mean, every year, you know, six or seven of your best friends get fired. And, yeah, but to be in the thought process is always exciting. Hell, Tennessee was one that is really close to my heart. I almost did consider pulling a trigger there.

I do. I remember as a young coach, when I was coaching the Raiders in 1998, I went to the owner's meetings. And every owner and every head coach was in there. I was 34 years old. I look over there, and there's Marty Schottenheimer. Over there is Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren. Then you see Joe Gibbs, Bill Cower.

And it just seemed every team, Tom Coughlin of the Jaguars, Tony Dungy, Tampa, every team had a coach that was there for a period of years, Dan Reeves with the Falcons. And now... They change coaches every year or two, and they change offense and defensive coordinators like they change shirts. And I think that has a lot to do with the lack of quarterback consistency and development over time.

That is a great point. You know, that's why the model that I learned growing up was with the 49ers. Bill Walsh called the plays, was the head coach. Mike Holmgren, who I worked for, was the head coach, called the plays. So if you lose your coordinator. you're able to call the plays yourself.

But when you're a defensive coach, and as you said, if you hire a hot shot coordinator, he's probably going to be gone. You better have somebody in your operation that has learned the system, that can teach the system, and keep your system alive if that guy leaves.

Yeah. This is a weird question, but I'm going to ask a weird question. Did Mark Davis ever say, like, hey, I really like your haircut?

No.

I said, I like your haircut.

You should go Mark Davis. You know what? I get my $15. I get it dry, and I let it fly, and I move on. He's wearing a hat and sunglasses. But no, my hairstyle is not really well thought through.

I mean, Mark Davis, did you ever think about it? Like, hey, he might give me a couple extra million dollars if I just start going bowl cut. Yeah, he might. I don't know.

I never looked at it quite like that, but I have been criticized for my hair several times.

Did I ask you if you ever went to a P.F. Chang's with him?

I have.

You have? Tell us everything. We want to go to a P.F. Chang's.

Well, in Oakland, there's a beautiful P.F. Chang's. Not in Oakland. It's a fancy part of town. I can't remember what it was called. But there's not a normal P.F. Chang's. It's like the killer P.F. Chang's. It's like the P.F. Chang's on steroids. An M.D. walks in. He sits up there. He's got the same seat. And they know exactly what he wants. So he doesn't even order. They just bring it.

Well, they pretty much know what he wants. He absolutely is dialed in at P.F. Chang's. I mean, it's unbelievable. And it's really a hell of a place. I learned to love it myself.

Yeah, when we found out he drove that van. But yeah, the P.F. Chang's, apparently he goes there every day.

You know, the Bucks... Play the Raiders December 8th in Tampa. Maybe you guys should come down. Maybe MD will be there. There is a nice P.F. Changs in Tampa, perhaps.

We did get a verbal yes. We kind of accosted him at the Super Bowl when we saw him in the lobby in Vegas. We were like, hey, come on the show. And he's like, okay. But I don't think it really stuck.

Well, at one time we were. Now I'm not. I have my own standalone building. I've graduated to higher levels. But when Hooters came around, my dad was coaching for the Bucks. I needed a summer job and Hooters just showed up. This is like 1986. And I got a job at the original Hooters in Clearwater, Florida. I was a wing shaker, oyster shucker, beer keg changer. Best job I ever had.

Then I moved on to Hillsboro Hooters, the number two Hooters. I was a backup college quarterback at Dayton. And I remember getting on the plane, going to training camp, crying. I didn't want to leave Hooters, man. I just want to work at Hooters. My dad said, get your ass on a plane. I love Hooters.

I mean, it's hard labor. Yeah, but it probably makes it easier. But back in the day, when Hooters was rolling, there wasn't a better place for me.

Yeah. Talking about the NFL this year, who in your mind is running the most innovative offensive stuff? Obviously, everyone knows Ben Johnson. He's talked about a lot. But who's maybe an under-the-radar guy you're like – What he's doing is some stuff that people are going to start copying a couple years down the line because that's really what the NFL ends up being is this copycat league.

Yeah, that's something I've been looking for. I have two servers in my office, and I make cut-ups. I'm looking for new concepts to teach and use if I ever do coach. Or when players and coaches come in, what's going on? What are people doing in the red zone, third down, short yardage? I was interested in Grubbs, the guy that went to Seattle early in the year.

They were shredding people, and I still think they do some really cool things offensively in Seattle. I do like Ben Johnson because I recognize the offense. I like what Cliff Kingsbury has done with Washington. And when you have a guy like Daniels, you can call any play you want. But their usage of those backs, they use two at a time, McNichols, Eckler, Robinson. It doesn't matter.

Rodriguez comes in, and they do an excellent job with the ball distribution. I like teams that use the tight end, Zach Ertz. They got a go-to receiver, McLaurin. They can run the ball. They can do a lot. So I can't wait for tonight's game because I want to see Kingsbury, the offensive coordinator of Washington, against Vic Fangio, the D coordinator of Philly, who's done a hell of a job.

Yeah, Vic Fangio can coach defense.

You know what I think, too, is, well, Vic Fangio is a great teacher, and he hired, I think, a very good defensive staff. And when you go watch teams practice, you can see the coaches that are better developing players and teaching their system than maybe others. Fangio has a lot of young players on this defense. They're emerging. I mean, Nolan Smith, nobody realizes he's starting.

The kid, the linebacker, N'Kobe Dean, he's playing his butt off. Zach Bond is one of the best-kept secrets in the league. He was an on-the-ball linebacker for the Saints. I don't ever remember him playing inside linebacker. A rookie corner, Mitchell. A rookie nickel guy, Cooper DeJean. A lot of young guys that are really kicking ass in this system.

I think a lot of it has to do with the simplicity of it. It's not a ton of blitzes and 96 different coverages. But I also think he teaches effort. He teaches guys how to tackle, taking proper angles. They're very detailed. They're very disciplined. And there are no exceptions. Fangio is a hell of a coach, and he's hired really good coaches to help him.

I said that you can tell he's a little more tentative to run the ball ever since the rib injury.

You know, he does a lot pre-snap. What I love about Detroit is they win in the pre-snap, meaning they'll change the tight end, they'll change the receiver, they'll motion two or three times before the ball is snapped, and they'll let Jared Goff pick a play. They're using the pre-snap to recognize your defense. I call it RCE.

You recognize the defense, and when you know what defense they're in, now you communicate a play to beat that defense. And that's what leads to great levels of execution. I call it RCE. Now, they're blessed. They have an excellent offensive line. They got a one-two punch in the backfield that's unbelievable. Those two cats are great.

They got a great slot receiver who's a total badass, the way he plays and blocks. I mean, you watch this guy play, he's like a – Tommy Hearns, he's like a Hagler type guy. He'll get in the ring and kick your ass now. And with Jamison Williams, they got the guy that can turbo it over the top. And Goff, other than last week, hasn't been good. He's been great.

Yeah, he has. He's been like perfect. So the Jets, I got a question about the Jets. There was a report this week that Jeff Ulbrich, the interim head coach, went back to the fundamentals of tackling this week. So they put the pads back on. He even gave a demonstration of tackling to start the practice.

We already know the Jets are in disarray, but what does that say when you have to do a fundamental of tackling? Did you ever do that as a coach halfway through the season? Like, hey, we've got to learn how to tackle again?

Well, we try to emphasize tackling. And when you have a poor tackling game or a poor tackling month, you want to emphasize tackling. I'm surprised he came out and said that. Yeah. Because your players, you know, they got a lot of pride in tackling. But the Jets do have problems. And I had always said that their defense wasn't part of the problem. But I know Ulbrich is in charge of the defense.

He expects a lot from the defense. And they didn't give it to him last week in Arizona. So I can understand his frustration.

Well, I was a coach 15 years, so I've been a part of everything. My hands are dirty. You know, we've gone from first to worst. And, you know, there's a short way from the penthouse to the outhouse. But in this league right now, with the ability to change your team and free agency and the draft and your coaching staff, you can flip it in a year. So we've gone from last to first in the NFC South.

You got to have mental toughness. And I think you have to have a real bond in which how you handle the media and what you're saying in public. You know, there's just too much out there right now. When the fire starts in your kitchen, if you start releasing all these statements, it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And if it becomes an inferno, you can't stop. Yeah.

But there's negativity in Chicago. Yeah, that's what's happening. It's just a horrible thing. Yeah. So I was always one of those guys that... I was always trying to stir the emotions. I'd try to piss you off one day, make you laugh, make you cry, fire you up. I just think you've got to keep everybody together, and it's us against the world.

This bitch. This bitch, but in a good way. Oh, man. So, Max, you're feeling good. Eagles are 8-2. This is a... I mean, one seed?

I think the great teams, the teams that come out of it, are the teams that love the misery. And we used to talk about that. Don't you love that we're 0-2? We're all beat up. We're tired. We're a 10-point underdog. We've got to go on the road. Our dog just shit in our yard. Yeah. certain teams love the opportunity to showcase how they can come out of it. And certain teams don't.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you, you, you said it, the, the cracks after the commanders hail Mary, like it just, it was a report from five different guys doing media and it all looked bad and it was finger pointing. And so if you were to coach the bears, I want you to stay here at Barstow, but if you want to coach the bears, I could, we could maybe get that worked out as well.

If you were to coach the Bears, what would be the first thing you do to try to put Caleb Williams back on path? Because it feels like we're off the path right now. It feels like we're off the road, and it's starting to kind of careen to a bad spot. What would be the first thing that you would tell him, tell your team, tell your offense?

What would be the first, like, hey, these are the fundamentals we've got to do?

Well, it's getting late to do that. We're at the 10-week point of the season.

I'm saying more for next year.

I think the big thing you do is you have a private meeting with the guys you deem as your leaders, the defensive leadership, the offensive leadership, the eight or nine Chicago Bears that you're really – saying this is the heart and soul of our football team. And we're going to get behind this quarterback, and we've got to spread that news downstairs and publicly.

But we've got to make this guy a great player. He is going to be a hell of a player unless we screw it up. Right. Let's be honest with you. You've had a lot of guys come through here, but this guy's a unique talent. And right now he needs support, man, and he needs it the most from his coach and the –

blue chip leaders that we have on the team now i don't know what kind of leadership they have on this bear football team yeah briskers hurt they got a bunch of guys from different teams dj more keenan allen everybody's the number one receiver swift is a new player i think they're all searching for an identity but we better figure it out this is our guy right here yeah and we got to get him to hand the ball off to swift play good defense win a couple ugly games the weather's getting shitty yeah but you gotta get excited about caleb williams

and keep putting your arm around this guy and challenging him and helping him get through it. What do you see on the tape? It's bad. There's too much of him. You know, there's 40 times he's carried the ball. There's 40 times he's been sacked. I just encourage him, you know, to get rid of the ball.

Sometimes the best play you can make is throwing the ball away because that's the only good play you could make.

I think he's waiting for receivers to get open, and I think it's hurting him. A lot of the sacks are on the quarterback holding the ball. You can't blame the offensive line for all these sacks.

No, I agree. I agree. It feels like a mental lock that's going on right now where it's a combination of guys not getting open, but even when they are open, he's not letting it rip.

I think they got to get them three for three to start the game. A quick pass. I'm not talking about quick screens either. Yeah. I'm thinking there are different routes we can run other than – if I see one more quick screen – You hate screens. Well, I can't take them.

I hate them too. I hate – I like running back screens. I hate wide receiver screens.

I mean, when you throw a bubble screen or a quick screen, I mean, how much – How many times do you see Jerry Rice run a bubble screen? You never saw Willie Galt run a bubble screen. You got these three Corvettes. I mean, Keenan Allen was a number one guy for the Chargers. DJ Moore is paid to be a number one guy. You draft a guy in the top ten because you obviously think he's a number one guy.

Now let him run some routes. and tell the quarterback to throw him the ball or get rid of the ball, but quit taking sacks.

Yeah, there's like a couple guys that I would feel comfortable in the entire NFL being like, yeah, that's like Khalil Shakir. He can run a quick screen. Rasheed Shahid. Rasheed Shahid. He can run a quick screen. It feels like sometimes offensive coordinators are like, oh, we haven't run a wide receiver screen in a while. Let's just do it to do it. And it's like, what the fuck?

They just always get guys. And you can't run them if your wide receivers aren't committed to blocking. That's the thing that drives me nuts is when you run a quick screen and the wide receiver's not blocking.

and then you run a fake quick screen and you act like you're blocking and you take off. You know, the playbook has become what you see on Friday night football in high school, you start to see on Saturday. Everybody's clapping their hands, running RPOs, and now you're starting to see that on Sunday. That's why it's a pleasure to watch the Lions. It's a pleasure to watch the Chiefs.

You know, some of these offenses that are really doing it the old-fashioned National Football League way, I think those are the teams you're going to be talking about. here in December.

You know, I did get to go there for about a week in training camp. Andy Reid invited me up there, and you're right, man. They got a great coaching staff. I mean, Dave Tobe, the special teams coach, Spagnuolo, they get all the ink because they're the coordinators. I'm talking about the position coaches.

Their drills, their team periods, their competitiveness on the practice field, their organization's phenomenal. They're winning games in their preparation. Fans don't see them on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. They have a contingency plan. If they lose this player, we're going to play like this. If we lose this player, we'll play like this. If the left tackle isn't quite ready, we'll do this.

But they do have a well-orchestrated contingency plan. I think they're only getting stronger now. pacheco's coming back on the practice field juju smith schuster's back the last time he played he had over 100 yards against the saints and they're going to get a menahew a very good pass rusher back so i think they're going to get stronger and stronger but

You know, what they do is they just kill you with their preparation, their contingency planning for if it doesn't go the way they want, and their mental toughness. They got a great coach. They got a great quarterback and a great kicker, and their defense is on fire.

Yeah, they are. It doesn't matter how you win. It doesn't matter how many you win by. You just keep winning. And Mahomes feels like that guy where every Chiefs game kind of goes the same, where it's like their offense looks a little clunky, and then there's a third and eight, and he'll find a way to get it.

Yeah, the thing that's really startling is how quick he's throwing the ball. You don't see him throw the ball over 20 yards in a game sometimes. And here's Pat Mahomes. I had him on Gruden's QB camp. He can throw better left-handed than I can right-handed. I mean, this guy's a magician. I mean, he can really wing it. Yeah. But you don't see seam patterns, go balls, deep breaking routes.

Everything has been quick, but they are converting 52% on third down, which is way better than everybody else statistically. And I just think they're about to explode.

So Gruden QB camp, which you got to bring it back. Maybe that's part of what happens with Barstool here. Was there ever a guy who you walked away from? You're sitting doing film and you're like, I don't think that guy's got it. And then he went in and ended up being a great pro.

You know, I did 63 shows. Yeah. So we had a lot of quarterbacks come down the pikes, you know. No, not really. There were a few guys that came in and said, damn, I like that guy. Who were those? Well, I mean, I loved Russell Wilson when he came in out of NC State. We made fun of his size.

Well, Wisconsin. He came out of Wisconsin.

Well, yeah, Wisconsin. I was smitten with him. Matter of fact, I got to talk to Pete Carroll during the draft process, and they had just signed Tavares Jackson. They had Flynn.

The clip of him pacing the sidelines, double-tapping his head, you never want to see that out of your kicker. Ever. That was bad.

And he asked me about Russell Wilson. I said, if you take this kid, and I said, if you bring him into your team, And give him a chance. He'll beat both those guys out. And that's just what he did. The other guy I love was Kirk Cousins.

And I still stay in touch with Kirk Cousins. Yeah. And they drafted RG3 in the first round. I remember telling Bruce Allen, I said, this guy's a sumbitch now. Be careful of Cousins. And look where he is. Yeah. He's had a great career. Great career.

Got paid a lot of money, too. He really has. And when I watch him play, there's not many guys that stand in there and take shots and deliver strikes like cousins. I mean, I love that about him, always have.

It is fair. I think the quarterback has to be bulletproof, at least the ones that are great that I've been around. Now, in privacy, the coach and the quarterback, they address those issues. But, you know, you've got to coach body language, I think. I've got to coach Dan on his body language.

Well, I'm down right now. He's getting mad at me because I'm very doom and gloom.

You don't want to see your quarterback, you know, pointing fingers and blaming guys. I don't think it's healthy. So you got to control your emotions. You got to be an assassin, man. You got to really have a very thick mental toughness about you. And some do and some don't.

I was coaching receivers. I didn't coach Favre. I was the signal guy back then. We didn't have the walkie-talkie. I would signal to Jet Dino, why shallow cross? And he had to memorize the formations. He struggled with that. But I can still remember Mike Holmgren, the head coach, when Favre was scrambling, he'd be saying, no, no, yes, great job, Brett.

And then he'd be saying, no, no, what the hell? To your point, the first couple years, a lot of growing pains, but – Farve, he had a triple X pouch, man. This guy had big balls, man.

He was as tough as hell. And he had a rocket. And he tried to prove it in every drill, every period. He tried to wow you. And he broke a lot of our receivers' hands, face masks.

He had a rocket. We had this debate, not debate, but I pointed out that I like my quarterbacks to throw a couple interceptions. I don't like when a quarterback gets late in the season. It's like, oh, they have no interceptions. That means they're not taking the risks. Is that a crazy thought to have?

Are there some interceptions that you're like, you know what, we can live with that because you're trying to make the big play, and if you keep trying to make the big play, it will happen?

I love this conversation. I hope you're having fun. You know what, when you're coaching aggressiveness with your offense, you got a guy like Favre and you got Sterling Sharp out there running routes. There's an understanding and trust. Hey, I'm the receiver coach. If you throw the ball, if he throws a ball to us and it's tight, he's giving you a chance. Right.

So there's only three things that are going to happen, Big Cat. You're going to be a savage, and you're going to go catch the damn ball. That's why we're paying you, too. Secondly, you're going to make damn sure he doesn't get it. You're going to play defensive back and make sure it's incomplete. Or third, you're going to be like an Academy Award winner.

You're going to get me that pass interference penalty. Yeah. But I think you've got to have a real careful understanding. And I think that's what the Bears' problem is a little bit. Do you not trust Keenan Allen? Throw him the ball when it's tight. He's going to catch it. He's going to make sure it's not intercepted. And he's going to get a couple fouls.

Yeah, that's Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson going to that Steelers offense. You've seen it with George Pickens. He's going to give his guys a chance. And like, yeah, there might be some interceptions, but now his guys are more locked in and they know they can go get those jump balls, those moon balls, and their offenses look totally different.

And when you watch Kansas City early in the season, they threw a bomb to Worthy, their fast receiver from Texas. And I know you remember the play. Cam Taylor Britt of the Bengals makes a one-handed interception, and everybody's like, oh, what a great interception. You know what they were saying in Kansas City? They were pissed at Worthy because what didn't he do? Go attack the ball.

chill out yeah no also the one seed's not gonna happen because the Lions schedule is significantly easier than yeah we still are at Ravens and home against the Steelers at commander like yeah the the Lions have the Packers and the Bills at home and then the 49ers on the road so I don't know maybe yeah hey 49ers on but the two seed wouldn't be bad either yeah two seeds good I would like, yeah.

You don't let anybody intercept it. And I think that's one of the reasons Kansas City's a little bit reluctant to to give him a ton of 50-50 opportunities. They used to do that with Deshaun Jackson. Yeah. But D-Jack, he would go up there and he would tip it away from somebody.

And I just think these are little behind-the-scenes things that young quarterbacks, they got to have confidence in their receivers.

they will make you right one way or another.

Well, he's come in there and given them confidence. I think he's walked in there, and they've changed the whole dynamic of how they practice. They never ran the ball in Charger land. I mean, I don't know what the rushing stats were last year, but you could go two or three games and not see 10 or 15 carries. This is now a smash-mouth running team. Forget about Herbert for a second.

You don't know who their receivers are. I mean, their leading receiver is McConkie, a slot receiver.

They really aren't a pass-first team, and they're not a pass-second team. They are running the ball, possessing the ball, and trusting their defense. He just has brought a lot of confidence and physicality to their team. And defensively, 13.1 points per game. Big Cat and I were talking earlier, though. They have not beaten many quality quarterbacks. This will be a good test for them.

Yeah, he went down the list of quarterbacks, and it was Gardner Minshew. It was Justin Fields. It wasn't lighting the world on fire.

I don't think so. I think I was in the booth when he was in the NFL. I just competed against his brother. You love coaches that compete. I think that permeates into the locker room. If your coach is fiery and he's competitive and banging on your shoulder pads and taking snaps in pregame, warm up. He loves football. He loves to compete. He's a badass.

And I think the Chargers, in some way, are emulating their coach.

Yeah, it's culture. Yeah, it sure is. You need that culture. You have guys who want to go take someone's head off.

i agree yeah that's what the chargers feel like they're just a tough football team but you do also still believe in the bengals and maybe making a run here which i just believe in a quarterback big cat i mean watching that game last week that was the best single game played this year by a quarterback in my opinion and i think second best might have been his other game against yeah yeah might have been um

He's running around more than you think. He's not just your typical pocket passer. He's getting out of trouble. He's running for first downs and he can see the whole field. He's got great peripheral vision and he has no wasted motion when he throws the ball. I really am impressed with him.

I think the Bengals, if their defense gets going a little bit and with the return of Higgins, I think they can be a problem. I do know this, though. They miss Joe Mixon. They miss Joe Mixon's receiving skills. I think in some of these check downs, I'm used to seeing Mixon come out of the trash.

Another team you mentioned that I think is going a little under the radar, but they have been playing great football, is the Arizona Cardinals. What are they doing? Because I thought they were going to be an okay team. I didn't think they were going to be sitting at the top of the NFC West in November, but they're a legit team, and it feels like they have everything clicking. I know.

I hate their uniforms.

You know, there's something about it. It's either red on red, and I just... yeah but they get harrison the receiver from ohio state connor's a good back i can't even tell you who their other running back is but he is a beast yeah mcbride is a hell of a tight incredible and kyler murray's playing great you talk about quick and their defense they have my favorite player buda baker um

I know. You want the one seat.

Jonathan Gannon's done a nice job with the defense. He stayed in his wheelhouse. And offensively, they're a problem because they're balanced. And they've already beaten the San Francisco 49ers in San Francisco. They're dangerous.

I can't even tell you who the backup running back is. I can just tell you this. on the flight down here, I said, I better find out more about this guy because he's a load also.

Demarcato.

Oh, you got Trey Benson as well. Yeah. It's not Trey Benson. It's Demarcato? Yeah, Demarcato. Or DJ Dallas? Oh, it's Demarcato. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many hours of tape do you watch a week?

Probably too much early in the week. When you get the tape, they got the FedEx guy. He knocks on the door. It's like Tuesday morning or Monday night. You're like, Hey, there's a tape. And my assistant, Jeff Leonardo.

Wait, they send the tape?

You don't just have it on your computer? Well, I don't want to get into all that. I pay a lot of money to get my tape. Okay, got it, got it, got it.

Actually, you know what? I know. Now I understand.

Yes, you got the tape. Yeah, yeah. You know, when I do get the tapes.

i i get so excited i i actually have a notepad and i'll write down like i'll go over the stats who had double digit tackles who had interceptions who got the sacks who had the explosive plays you know who did this who did that and i would i'll start making reels to see how they did it right and it's an obsession and then when i was doing my little YouTube channel, Gruden Loves Football.

I always pick three or four games a week, and I really tried to dig in on those two teams and learn all their players and some of the key matchups. I just love it, man.

Does your wife ever like, hey, can you stop watching so much tape?

My wife, when I got fired by Tampa, I had an office at my house and I had my little projector. And back then we had the beta tapes. And I'd have coaches coming in the office at 6 a.m. My wife would come downstairs in her pajamas. She didn't go for this. You got to get out of here. Get all your stuff. So I bought a building. I rented a building. Eventually, I bought a building.

And when you guys come down, I can't wait.

Yeah, I was very nervous because I bet the Eagles tonight and I was when the first half happened and the commanders were up and the Eagles were missing every field goal and the Amazon broadcast was like, yeah, Dan Quinn decided this was Shark Week and he's been just showing clips of shark attacks and jaws. I was like, this is Mike McCarthy smashing a watermelon all over again.

Well, to be honest with you, the Bears made me mad. Yeah, yeah. You know, I just have high expectations for the kind of roster they have, I mean, skill-wise. And I'm not just talking about the coaching or the coordinator or the play calling. The players are not making me happy. I saw a guy run an out route and sit down while the play is going on.

That was bad, very bad. The Jets have made me upset. You know, I – I put a lot of stock in this quarterback, Rodgers. I think he's one of the best I've ever seen play. He had an injury last year. He's coming back. Their protection hasn't been good. Their running game hasn't been good. Their body language is horrific. I get upset.

I wanted to be a coach. My dad was a coach. So I've been around coaching my whole life and I knew I wasn't going to be a good enough player. So I said, man, maybe one day I can be a coach.

All right, so give me the list of teams right now that can win the Super Bowl. We have our list. I want to see how it matches up.

I think we have, what, five, six?

And depending on how the Steelers play this weekend, maybe the Steelers get put in that group.

Well, you can't make that list. I was at the Bucs 49er game last week, and with McCaffrey back and Jawan Jennings back, I was telling Big Cat, they're going to be a hard offense to stop because Mason, the backup running back, hell, he's leading the league in rushing down there. So you got – and Purdy is a lot better quarterback when you see him live. This guy is strong. He's loose.

He's gutty, man. Gritty. Love him. And I think their defense, although they're missing some key guys, I don't know if their safety, Hufanga's coming back or not, but if he comes back – I love the 49ers. 49ers added to the list. Did we miss any other teams? They might have the best fullback, too. We talked about Arizona. Yeah, Arizona. You know, somebody's going to come out of the West. Yeah.

Somebody's going to come out of the West, and someone's going to win that division and get a home playoff game. Yep. Who's it going to be? Yeah. Who's it going to be? It's going to be Arizona, in my opinion, but I really think it's going to be the 49ers.

I think the Bills need Milano back. I think they need to get healthy on defense. The big thing with the Bills is Von Miller. Are you really Von Miller? If Von Miller and Rousseau and the fourth-quarter pass rush, Ed Oliver, if they can get that fourth-quarter pass rush humming, that's what bothered me against the Dolphins two weeks ago, is I thought that pass rush would just eat up Tua.

And it didn't happen. I think they've got to get that pass rush revved up, and they could be. They could seriously be a problem if they do.

Yeah. Okay, I have one last question. This has been great, Coach. We're so excited that you're here with us.

And I think Dan Quinn was there for the smashing of the watermelon.

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Last question. We know it's football number one. What other sports are you watching? Because I heard a rumor that you watch all the sports. Yeah, I love sports.

I love the Cincinnati Reds when I was growing up, so I love baseball. Matter of fact, I'm going to Arizona to see Tony La Russa. We're having a Wounded Warrior service dog event. Love baseball. And I do love basketball. I was Bobby Knight's ball boy. I just don't like the three-point shot. I think it's too much. Okay, I like that.

Oh. I do like golf. I got the caddy for John Daly one time.

Yeah.

I was up at the Hooter Owl's Nest, they call it. I was just having some beers. I was coaching Tampa, relaxing. Lightning bolt. They suspend play. So Daly comes up with this caddy. And this rain delay goes on and on and on. It gets cold and it's wet. It appears like the tournament's over. Mm-hmm. So the caddy had a couple cocktails, I guess. He was off. I had a Daly's bib on.

I was wearing his bib. We were meeting fans, taking pictures. And the tournament director came back and he says, Mr. Daly, you got 15 minutes to get in position. We're going to play four or five more holes before it gets dark. So we go up and hit balls. And Daly looks at me and he says, well, you're wearing the bib. Let's go.

Also, don't think I would use Jaws for Shark Week because Jaws is an incredible movie, one of the best movies of all time. But to today's age, you watch Jaws and you're like, that's a fake shark.

So I carried his bag, and I had been in this hooter owl nest drinking a few beers. I had to pee like a rhinoceros. And I got this bag, and there's like 14 Diet Cokes in there, an umbrella thing weighed 100 pounds. And we're on like the 16th hole. I only did it for three holes. I'm like the 16th hole. I... Do caddies pee on the course? I don't know.

So I had to go pee. And then we come up on the 17th hole where the owl's nest was. That's one of the holes we played. And all my friends had stayed around. Everybody was gone. There was no fans left. And the fans started going, caddy, caddy. I said, I'm going to get ripped for this. And sure enough, on the Golf Channel, they destroyed me for not having any etiquette and not having any.

How did you do with the club selection? How did John Daly shoot in those last holes? I can't remember. I was nervous, but I did not get near the green. I just stayed over there by the bag. I didn't try to go up there and read putts or anything like that. That was a great experience.

That's awesome. The owl's nest.

All right, well, Coach, we're excited for everything we've got coming up with you and Barstool. People are going to listen to this on Friday, but the stream tonight is. I don't think you're ready, just so you know, and this could look stupid in retrospect. I don't think you're ready. PFT is a diehard Commanders fan, but he's a respectable football watcher. The mutant we have in that booth, Max.

Yeah, I've heard about Max.

Yeah. He is going to shock you with some of this stuff, and you're probably going to see his ass crack. He has a problem with his ass crack.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of that in Philadelphia.

Yeah, but he might cry. He might scream. He's Italian. He's fiery. He might spit on you accidentally. He might spit on you. Yeah, you might have to wear a poncho or something.

Max, control yourself, Max. Don't peak too early, man. We got plenty of time before kickoff.

He said he's good for now, but once the whistle blows, he's ready to go.

I'm going with the Philadelphia Eagles, 27-20.

Hank does not count. All right, well, thanks so much, Coach. Thank you, guys. Love you.

Okay, let's wrap up Firefest of the Week. Henry...

Hank, do you have any thoughts on the game?

So the midlife crisis, you think this car will fix it?

But you also think it might... If it... Here's... That's why... It won't.

If you think it will fix it, you should do it. If you think it will just be like, shit, I got the car and I still can't find happiness in my heart, then we got other issues.

That was half a sentence.

Have you been grumpy lately?

You should have said I think so, yeah.

I don't think you've been that grumpy recently. I do think you're going through a midlife crisis. The problem with the car purchase, which I'm fully supportive of because I want you to be happy, is that if you buy it and then you're still going through the midlife crisis, what's next?

Whereas if you just don't buy it, you could always be like, oh, well, maybe the car would have fixed it.

Oh, hell yeah. Test driving is so much fun.

Also, Elise does not make financial sense.

People were saying Steve Will Do It's going to give you a Lambo. I heard Hank's doing a Porsche. Who said Porsche?

Yeah, he said Drake May.

I don't think this is going to solve anything, but I'm supportive. Of course it's not going to solve anything, but it could be fun. Because I drive a nice car, but I don't even think about it. You know what I mean? It's not like I'm happy every time. You drive a nice car, not a sick car. Okay. All right. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Wait a minute. I got to get a new lease. Yeah. Damn. Damn. All right.

All right.

What if you got like a Subaru?

Well, I also, I mean, I do have. I'm shopping around. I do have three car seats in my car. So that lowers the sickness factor of it.

All right. We'll see.

No, you're going to do it. You're test driving cars. Are you going to multiple dealerships? No. Oh, because I was going to say the best part about getting a new car and test driving cars is you go like... Is my leasing thought correct?

Yeah, but it doesn't... Wait, what do you mean you get credit?

But it's stupid.

That's what I was going to say. I lease a car, but I know it's stupid financially, but I like to be like, I could have a new option in two and a half years.

Well, what I was saying is, Hank, you need to go to a couple dealerships. You need to go to a place where you know you're probably not going to buy it just so you can negotiate because it's so awesome negotiating at a car dealership knowing that you're probably not going to buy that car unless they just go crazy low.

In Washington. This is what I was saying.

Get me another soda. I only bought a new car like me twice, but whenever I've done it, I've had my options. It's like one through five and the fifth one I'll go and I'll be like, if they offer me this deal, I'll do it. And it's a crazy deal. And it's the best.

People were confusing me. You're insane. I'm just thinking out loud. This is way worse than what I did. This is what I was saying on Wednesday. Coach Gruden said it. These aren't my words. This is what I was saying. And people were like, oh, you're saying Jaden Daniels is bad. No, no, no. I think Jaden Daniels is really good. Caleb Williams, we got problems.

All right, PFT, your fire fest?

That's such a good clip.

He's just talking to a kid about death.

Love that.

Yeah, he's all the way back. Okay, my fire fest is, I think there's a word for it, karma. Everyone in my house has been waking up at 545 in the morning since something happened two weeks ago. What happened two weeks ago? We changed the clocks. Oh, yeah. Stella, all three of my kids, every fucking morning, I've been getting up so goddamn early. So I deserve that.

Why don't you get blackout curtains? Dude, we have everything. There's nothing. I changed the fucking lights. I changed what time the thing goes off. We changed the thing going off in my son's room until 6.30. He still came in at 6.30 this morning and said, hey, my light changed. Can I play? And I said, yeah. And then he goes back, and I don't go back to sleep.

The fucked up nature of this podcast is this guy on the couch is now going to be like, I got the superstar.

Can somebody explain to me why we changed the clocks? Well, I'll let you know when we do it on Saturday night. Okay.

But I'd rather go to work in the dark and have it be light when I get out of work.

That'd be a lot better. Yeah, I'm living in hell. We have not adjusted in my house. I'm living in Arizona or that little part of Indiana. We just haven't changed it.

Okay. Max, you got something?

Oh, why? It's not like you're pitching against... A really good team.

I think we should post a picture after with the team we pitched so people get hyped up.

Well, good news is you do have four outfielders, so that's a little bit of an advantage.

The bad news is the four outfielders are me, Brandon, Hank, and Jerry.

Well, I don't know.

Brandon's gotten in better shape, but Brandon also could easily, like the sun better not be out that day. Brandon doesn't do well outside. Yeah. Where do you want us positioned? Me and Hank in center? Yeah, I guess. Center right and center left?

And then Jerry and... Jerry. And PFT's catching. Jerry played baseball.

How mad are you going to be if we drop an easy one?

No, I don't want to. I want to look good.

So I'm not.

And also, it sucks, BFT, because it's also scary about foul balls.

They were just five and a half point underdogs to the Bears. The Bears quit.

Yeah, because a comebacker hitting you in the ass would be very funny. A comebacker hitting you in the head would not be funny. I need one of those softball helmets. Also, you know what? No, I'm not going to put bad vibes out there. What? If a comebacker hit you and you have to go to the hospital, we're still going to come back to Chicago at the allotted time. This is this guy.

No, it's actually not a worry. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, no, it's not a worry. Can we set?

No, the worry was I didn't want to say it out loud.

Get the see-through going on? You're going to be fine. If you want to do the screen, I would do the screen, so I will not call you a pussy. Yeah, I'm probably going to do the screen.

Yeah, they also can hit it wherever they want. That's not... Yeah, at 60 miles an hour, they absolutely can. They absolutely can. They're going to be able to put it wherever they want. And hopefully none go in and then out of my glove. Can I give you some advice, Max?

Is Jack doing a number?

Clips guy, the 24. Jack, why are you laughing? Oh, someone else?

Give me the number. Jack is a Lions fan. Detroit sports all across the board.

99. 11. You got to reset.

It would have been 44. It would have been 44.