John Hawkes

Yeah, no, I still love it.

I'm here six days a week, every day, so...

Mainly in Sydney.

I mean, I do go to Melbourne from periods.

But no, no, I still really enjoy it.

I mean, what else are you going to do?

Sit on a lounge chair and look at the bloody scenery.

So that's not for me.

I like messing around with the horses and twiddling around with them.

And as I said, with me boys, you know, there's nothing better.

Oh, I still get a thrill winning a race.

You know, I mean it.

Ultimately, yes, you know, that's the ultimate, just try and get that real elite sort of horse.

You know, we've perhaps only got, you know, Briassa and maybe Gangster Granny are up at the top of our horses, but we've got a few nice younger ones, you know, coming through the system.

But as I said, when you're a smaller stable, it makes it very difficult to get those real elite horses.

You need the big turnover like the big stables have to get them.

I've been there and done that, so...

The big numbers work for you.

That's how you come across, say, more better horses.

But we're doing all right for our small team.