John J. Boziak
Appearances
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Police Officer Reveals Dark Side of Law Enforcement
Bosiac's stranger-than-fiction tale of ingenious scams and impossible escapes, of brazen run-ins with the law and secret desires to straighten out and settle down, makes his story a true crime con game that will keep you guessing. Bent. How a homeless teen became one of the cybercrime industry's most prolific counterfeiters. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Police Officer Reveals Dark Side of Law Enforcement
Bent is the story of John J. Boziak's phenomenal life of crime. Inked from head to toe, with an addiction to strippers and fast Cadillacs, Boziak was not your typical computer geek. He was, however, one of the most cunning scammers, counterfeiters, identity thieves, and escape artists alive. And a major thorn in the side of the US Secret Service as they fought a war on cybercrime.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Police Officer Reveals Dark Side of Law Enforcement
With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld, with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned-out bank account in his wake, he vanished.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
My empire is growing. Right. I got a good name because I always pay. I never owe. You need to get this money. Right. Because I don't mind getting 15 grand taken. I can't have 50, 60 grand taken. In the drug world, when you got girls, you got a flock. So we're going to the casino five nights a week. I'm picking up a girl or two or three.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah, I kind of always felt, I don't want to say off the cuff, but I kind of felt somewhat out of place, but not like I didn't matter. Because my dad loved me. He took care of me. He paid his child support. He saw me every summer until I was about 14. But then I didn't want to go with him anymore in the summer. Because I got girls. And I'm not leaving the girls to go spend time with my dad at 14.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So about 14, 15, now I don't see my dad in the summer. But I still see him. He comes and sees me once or twice a year. Because he loves me. I got, you know, he's got his issues he's dealing. Everybody's got issues, right? Everybody's dealing with stuff. So for us to sit here and say, bad person, you do this wrong, you do that wrong. everybody's dealing with stuff.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You know, I dealt with some heavy stuff, but people are dealing with stuff we don't know about, you know? So I have, um, when it comes to mental health, I deal, deal with it a little bit differently than I think most, because I realized what my mom had, maybe if she had been diagnosed, uh, But alcoholism, I mean, what is that gonna do?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Okay, sure. I don't have any brothers or sisters. I'm an only child. I was born in Castro Valley, California. My mom and dad were married for five years, got a divorce. And then me and my mom eventually moved to L.A., and my dad stayed in Hayward, Castro Valley area. So at that time, I got to see my dad in the summer. I was probably second grade. Yeah, second grade.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah, it was way different. I mean, it was just different.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Over again.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Well, she's cutting herself. I think Mad Men, there's a little snippet in Mad Men when they're in the 50s, right? Have you seen Mad Men? Yeah, yeah. Well, one of the guys slaps the kid for misbehaving at a picnic or something. Right. And in the 50s, I guess that's what they did. That was a neighbor. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You couldn't do that now, but that was, you know, back then, you had to be nice to your neighbors.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
What about getting spankings in elementary school? Back then, you get a swat. I never got a swat, but you get a swat in elementary school.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Do that now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Come on, do that right now. Your kid, Johnny, is in elementary school, and he goes home, and he tells his mom, hey, the principal used a wooden stick, and he spanked me for misbehaving. What happens now? What happens now?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I think I heard that in one of the podcasts.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
My dad worked for Pac Bell, which is AT&T, which I don't know what it is now. But back then it was Pac Bell where they fixed telephones, which they don't do anymore. You know, they did wire and all kinds of different things like that. And then my mom at the time was a stay at home mom. And then when we moved out here, she got into the nursing facilities and was a nurse.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You're doing damage. It's damage. It's emotionally damaging.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
um so let me uh comment on what you said when you said you want me to send you back so i dealt with the i dealt with some some issues i don't big issues but when i was about 12 when i was at my dad's house because my mom would always tell me you want to go live with your dad you want to go live with your dad and i'm like shit no i don't want to go live with my dad and then when i was at my dad's house and i got i didn't really get into trouble and i think they're gonna
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
When they see this podcast, I didn't get in trouble, but me and my stepbrother and sister, stepbrother, we got into some type of trouble. We were sent to our room, and then we made some noise in the room, probably fighting or whatever. And my dad comes in, and he tells me, and I'm 12, and this is very traumatic for me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
A pivotal point in my life, excuse me, where my dad tells me, do you want to go live with your mom? You want me to send you back to your mom's? So now you've got a 12-year-old kid who's... Who's effed. I don't want to use the F word. He's thinking, I'm thinking to myself, not at that time, because I'm already emotionally damaged with my mom.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I'm a little damaged with my dad, too, because I'm like an outsider. Like, I'm seeing this. I'm not stupid. I'm 12. You know, I'm kind of like the outsider guy on, you know, the guy that comes for two months. But when your dad tells you, you want me to send you back to your mom's, and your mom tells you you want to go live with your dad, now I'm thinking no one wants me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I didn't think it exactly at that time, but I know it was in me at that time. Because I did a lot of therapy, and I started piecing things together later in life, in my 20s. But having that being said to me at 12, and I'm not a bad kid. I'm not getting into trouble. I never got suspended from school. I had one meeting in high school with one of the teachers, the auto shop teacher.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I never got suspended. I never got in any trouble. So I was a pretty good kid. So once he says that, then I'm just like, no. And then I stood. But like I said... As I got older, because it was rough until 12, super rough. I had no outlet. I had no getaway. I had no comfort. I guess for me, comfort would have been sports. I watched a lot of sports. I still do.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
95% of what I watch is sports or sports talk. So I just, that was, I guess, my medication at that time was sports, okay? But like I said, when I was telling you earlier, or we talked earlier, once I hit 13, 14, I hit my stride.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And she worked in a convalescent home and she did medical records.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Like, I'm hitting my stride. So I'm good. I'm not good with what's going on with my mom, because it's still going on. But now I can't be hit or beaten.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Because now I can hold myself.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I worked at a corrugated sheet factory. Right. So step one, corrugated sheets. Step one would be getting the paper. Step two would be making it into corrugated sheets. Step three is where my stepdad worked. Okay. He made the boxes. We made the sheets. Okay. At a totally separate place. But it paid more money where I worked. So he got me the job there. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
and then i mean you said you so you met your wife you you got married yeah um i met my uh my wife lucy um and we had three kids i was 21 when we had our first kid johnny um i bought my first house when i was 21. that's young yeah yeah um i bought it in asperia it was on a acre because i didn't have a dad you know i had a dad i'm sorry i don't want to disrespect my dad
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
and raised me up here in LA, and I saw my dad in the summers for about two months, every summer from June to the end of August-ish.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I don't want to say I didn't have a dad. I have a dad influence, big influence. I'll just say this. He wasn't a big, he was very little influence in my life. Right. Okay. But he loved me. So I got nothing bad to say. And I take care of him now, which we'll get into. Okay. But yeah, I got nothing bad to say. I bought a house in Asperia. Okay. And, um,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It was on an acre, four bedroom, 1800 square foot, one story house. I marry a woman who's got three kids. Okay. Peter, Joe, rest in peace. And Mike. And he's Pete. Her son is about 12 years younger than me. So I'm 21. She's 28. So we get together. We have three kids. We're living in Asperia for about five years. I'm working at Corecraft. I'm moving up by the time we're, um,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You know, I'm 25, 24, I'm a supervisor. So we're living a middle-class life. You know, we're taking a little vacations here and there. We got a little house. We ended up moving from there, bought another house in West Covina in a better area.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
that was all good until um until we transitioned into us having problems and me seeing my best friend again because me and my best friend jim um we were always kind of in and out he went to the army he comes back He goes off living around me but we're not really contacting each other and then we get into contact and then when me and my ex-wife have problems and we're getting a divorce.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It wasn't said then but we're getting a divorce. I'm like.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It's coming. It's 19, year 2000, probably 1999. It's coming. I'm leaving on the weekends. I'm going to his house. I'm getting away because we're getting a divorce. I'm out. We're done. It's just time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So that's when it goes south. It doesn't go south real quick, but it goes south. Because he's dealing meth. Right. He's a drug addict then.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I didn't move in. I just went there on the weekends. Okay. Because I worked core craft. Right. So I'm there. I'm the straight shooter. But I see... Now I'm seeing a whole different world now. Because everything changes once... once I see him and see what he's doing, then that's where the whole true crime story comes in.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I never really got into trouble, even in elementary school, no problems. We ended up moving to Whittier, so I was lucky enough to go elementary to transition to junior high to high school all in the same, like we all went together. I didn't move to different high schools and different things at that time. So, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
He, he's a user. He's getting by.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You know, he's not selling anything big.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Keep him going, keep a float, go to the casino, you know, things like that. So, yeah, he's not making good money, but he's making enough to get by, support his habit and get by. So, yeah. So when I go there, I'm seeing all kinds of different people coming into his house, you know, and I'm the stray shooter guy. And they think I'm a cop. Like, they're like, hey. Is this guy a cop? He doesn't use?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Why is he here? And he's like, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. I've known this guy since we were 12. We've been best friends since 12. No, this is my dude. He's good. So, yeah, we're doing that. I'm going there. Maybe. Maybe. Me and my wife eventually get a divorce, and then I start seeing a girl that's a user, okay?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I don't want to mention it, but then I start seeing a girl that's a user, and she's slanging a little bit on the side. My buddy's slanging a little bit on the side, but I'm not slanging anything. And then eventually it starts, you know?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm still working. I had back surgery... probably four years before I ended up leaving Corkraft but I hurt my back again and I couldn't work so at that time when I'm going to his house on the weekends it's probably you know six months later I hurt my back again and I don't need surgery but I hurt my back and then I never went back to Corkraft again I just left.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I went on a disability and that lasted about a year. And then after that I was, I was slanging then. So after that, I never went back to Corkraft.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Well, he's getting it from his connect, which I end up being his connect. Right. So he's getting his thing, but I'm kind of seeing how everything's going here, you know? And my best friend gives me one of his people to sell to. So that's how it all started with like little quarter round stuff, eight balls, things like that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And then from him, I picked up another one and then I picked up another one and then I picked up another one. And then I'm just basically selling apples, right? Teeners, half-teeners, you know. Quarter ounce was probably big. Right. I was just dealing with small users. But with us Latinos, right, we make the shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I ended up meeting another Mexican dude. Now... Because we're Rasa, right? We're taking care of each other a little bit. I have a little relationship with him and he's bringing me stuff. They all know I'm not a user and I'm paying, right? I don't owe nobody nothing. I never do. I get it and they bring it. They get paid or they front me a little bit, front me a lot a bit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So we get to Whittier and we're living with my grandma because we're trying to get our feet together and get everything together. And then we ended up renting a house next door. So I live right next door to my grandma, which I was very close with. So rest in peace. Charlotte, which my daughter. My daughter's. My daughter's middle name is after. So Olivia Charlotte Rodriguez after my grandma.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Boom, boom, boom, get paid. But what I did, how everything grew for me, selling the drugs, how it really... I don't want to use the word blossomed because that's not a good word, but how it boomed was I figured out if I bought a quarter pound from the homie, right, I could sell it to the white dude and not make any money.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I buy a quarter pound, let's just say, it's probably about... You could buy it for... I could buy it, back then you could buy an ounce for like, I want to say... 700 bucks right okay this is 19 or this is 2001 um you could buy a quarter quarter ounce for about 700 bucks i would buy a quarter pound from him and then i would sell it for the same price to this dude
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
but I would get the price of a quarter pound, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I'm making no money here, but because I'm buying a quarter pound, I'm getting a discount, right, on the ounce. So I take, and I buy two ounces more, say, as an example. So I'm buying six ounces. I'm selling this guy... four of the six, but now I'm getting the $600 price. I'm not paying, or 550 price, because I bought six of them. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm making no money with him, but now I'm getting my ounces at $550. Right. Right? So now, I'm taking those two ounces, this guy's coming, almost every day to my house. This guy's buying almost every day because even though this dude is in the game much longer and he's a much bigger dealer than I am.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I would tell the girls, if your friend comes, we're going to have sex. You ain't got an interview like this, bro. You ain't got no interview like this because you're going to get the dirty. When you're a user and you get busted, you ain't got your head right yet. Right. And you stumble and you make mistakes. I didn't make those mistakes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
He's not getting my price.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Because he's not Raza. He's not getting my price. OK, I'm not saying that's the way it is for everyone. I'm just saying that's the way it was for me in my situation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
OK, so and also the guys that are bringing me the stuff, they're not dealing with the bullshit because I'm not a user. I'm not telling them a story on why I can't pay and how this time I'll pay him more next time and I'll catch up and blah, blah, blah. No, no, no, no.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
you brought it i paid he paid boom like i'd have i'd have this guy come over in 45 minutes or something to come pick up his part and then i take my part and be with it come the next day buy another six boom buy another eight eventually buy another pound this guy's buying a half pound i'm buying a pound and i'm selling ounces now and i'm selling quarter pounds now and i'm selling you know this and that and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You know, now I'm starting to make some money. You know, now I'm, I don't know what a lot of money is because in the feds, when you go to the feds, you're like, dude, you were selling shit. You know, you think, oh yeah, I'm selling pounds. You're a small time, you know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
20 000 a month like what or 20 000 a week yeah like what's the best what's the best week or month you think you had are you asking me that question oh i'm gonna go with because it fluctuated but oh I could make 50 grand a month. On average then, I would say I was 10,000 a week. I was making 10 Gs a week. When I was busted, I was probably making 14,000 a week.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But on the road, so there's like a road, right? So you're... Look, kids out there, don't sell drugs. Right. It's a mess. It's a train wreck. It's a horrible life. It's a no good life. And I'm only telling a story. Okay. This is the story. Right. I may have emotion. I may smile. This guy don't really. I care. Yeah. Don't sell drugs. Don't get involved.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You're going to throw your life away. You're going to get yourself killed. You're going to get in big trouble. Matt, I'm just telling you a story, bro. I... Okay. I'll just tell you how it was. Okay. I'm not fluffing it up because I could have said, oh, yeah, I was making $45,000 a week, dude. Yeah. And how would you know I was or wasn't? Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I made $14,000, about $12,000, $14,000, $15,000 a week. Right. But... In the drug world, it's a different world. Okay, so you did your crime with a white collar way. Again, I'm going to say it just this last time. Don't commit crimes. Don't sell drugs. I'm just saying what it is. You guys can take it for what it is, what it's worth. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah, so growing up, it's kind of, pretty relevant now, but back then it wasn't. My mom was a cutter. Right. So, from the age of, as early as I can remember, probably five or six, up until 25, probably, 22, I'd say she probably cut herself 25 times, went to the hospital six times, so, and she was an alcoholic.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
If, if, if you're going to commit a crime, if you're going to commit a crime, Do it by yourself. Right. Find a crime. Don't find a crime. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
If you were. If you had to. If you had to do a crime. Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You don't have co-defendants. Forget the word co-defendant. Co-defendant doesn't exist. It's not in your mind. There is no co-defendant. Got it. Okay. Do it all by yourself. Like you did. Sometimes. But think back when you did it, right? Yeah. If you could have just closed your mouth.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Not told nobody shit. Right. Right? And said, and Maine, you could live a good life, Matt, making 20 grand a week, bro. Yeah. You can live a smooth life, right? But no, that's not what Matt did. Matt went a little bigger, but we're not here for that. I've heard you on the podcast. That's why I'm here, because you're a cool dude, right? You're a cool dude.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You got good energy, and we got good energy. And I was like, man, we're going to make good podcasts, and that's why I called you. If you, just think, if you would've just did your shit, small time, make 10, 15 grand a week, didn't tell your girl.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm a real estate agent.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm a middleman. Just rewind if you could've just said, hey, look, check this out. I sell real estate, but I'm just the middleman, okay? I don't get involved. I take house for sale, the seller, and I take the buyer, and I find the buyer, and I get a cut. That's what I do. You'd have been doing that for how long? No one would have known shit. You know?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And that's where the feds, the feds, which we're going to get into, they don't play, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You ain't. You're smart. You're very smart. Uh-uh. It doesn't mean anything. And you made some, we'll get into that later, but you made some big mistakes with your case. And I'm sitting there watching your story and I'm like, and I'm hearing, I'm like, oh, I know this dude because I met you in Atwater where I was at. I didn't meet you. Right. But I met guys like you. You're slick.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You try to be slick, right? Yeah. You're slick. You know what's up? What? You know how to play. You'd think. See, you'd think you know how to play the game with the feds, at least in the beginning. Am I right? And I'm not doubting you. You didn't know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
See, I didn't get bail. So I learned the game. Yeah. Okay. I didn't get bail. Then you should have known. Like, dude, you better roll over, bro. You better roll over. I did roll over. You got too much time. You got too much time. You didn't roll over right. Right. You didn't roll over, right, bro?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, you didn't.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
When you went to county, when you were in the county, you were in the county, right? The U.S.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I was in the county county. I never went to the fed county-ish, whatever you guys call it. I never went there. But you guys are in, maybe you stood yourself too much back then. You're in a special pod. Yeah, but you didn't talk to enough people. Because if you had talked to enough people, they would have told you, hey, dude. Let me tell you what you need to do. Because that's what happened to me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Okay. But we'll get into that later. Because the feds don't play, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Oh. Probably four years. Right. Four years, but we'll get back to where I was in the beginning-ish, is once people know what you're doing, it's kind of like what we were talking about with the chimpanzees on Netflix. Right. There's the leader of the pack. Well, I'm the leader of my pack.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Oh, they're not walking away, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No. See, because you don't know the drug world. I know you've probably interviewed dudes, right? But I know what's up. Look, I've been there. I know the game. I don't know everything, everything, because you say, oh, you know everything? And I could say that, like I know everything, but I know everything, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
When it comes to the smaller dealers of pounds, I don't know the game of the big time people, but I know how the small game work. No one runs away when you got a half pound at home.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And they're fiending and they need to use and...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So, but, her alcoholism was a little bit different than what my dad's alcoholism was, but, My mom wouldn't drink. You know, she'd go days and days and days and not drink. And then when she drank, she was getting drunk. There was no tipsy. There was no in between. She would get obliterated.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Well, the thing is, it's a little different in the drug world. There is no don't deal with that guy. Right. That guy's got the jewels, and you need those jewels. That guy's got what you need. You ain't walking away. So my empire is growing. Right. I got a good name because I always pay. I never owe, okay?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I would tell the guys that... Not even the guy that I got caught up with because he comes... two years down the road. But the guys that I'm dealing with here in my little empire, I'm always on time. I tell them because I didn't want to get robbed with 50 grand at my house. Right. Because then I'm screwed because not only did I get robbed for 50 grand, I still owe him 50 grand.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And what's going to happen? It's all good until you don't pay, right? It's all good. Everything's great until you tell me, dude, I got robbed. Well, now... This is what we're going to do. So I would tell him, come over, dude. You need to come over. You need to come over now. You need to get this money. Right. Because I don't mind getting 15 grand taken. I can't have 50, 60 grand taken.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And they'd come over to collect, you know. And then eventually... I'm not really dealing with eight balls and I'm not dealing with that anymore. I'm not dealing with teenagers. I'm not dealing with, after about a year and a half, I'm no longer dealing with the only quote user.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Now I'm distributing to the people selling.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No one's calling me and saying, hey man, can I grab an eight ball? I'm like... dude you got the wrong guy bro right you know i'm now i'm pretty much i'm just selling quarter pounds quarter pounds two ounces half pounds things like that two years in and two years in i have um You know, it's kind of like I say, you know, like if you're a rock star, right? You're a rock star. You walk into the room.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I think my mom had some type of schizophrenic and stuff because back then we didn't know anything about it. But looking back now, like, yeah, I wasn't right. Right. So, you know, I'm six years old. My mom's cutting herself. She's on the couch drunk and I'm seeing blood. I got problems. I got nowhere to turn to. I'm by myself. I'm selling the child.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Everyone wants to be around you. Everybody's your friend. All the girls are coming. It's the same thing in the drug world. Everybody's coming. All the girls are coming. I've kind of thought about this and said this is like, if you have a boyfriend or a girlfriend and you're a drug user, you don't have a boyfriend or a girlfriend. You think you do.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You're in some type of relationship with a boy and a girl, girl and a boy, whatever. But there is no boyfriend, girlfriend in the drug world. Because they're all doing stuff. Everyone I knew then. And if you're gone, the next girl finds another one. Replaceable. So that's kind of what I'm doing. I got my own place. We're a year and a half in, and I meet this girl, Jennifer, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Jennifer ends up being the baby's mama to the son. Now, the focus of the story is on, but she ends up... I end up getting her pregnant. But mind you...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
you know up until i was selling drugs i'm a straight shooter right like i'm just a regular dude um and you know i'm working but when a year in of selling drugs now i'm getting all kinds of girls like when i talked in high school about having girls i got girls in the drug world when you got girls you got a flock right
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
and it ain't one or two like you gotta you probably i know how i know how these guys are but you got a flock of 20 right you got 20 girls you can call at any time at any time we're going to the casino tonight okay and between going to the casino and i told my wife i don't want to embarrass her right because my wife's A very straight shooter. Straighter than I ever was. But this is the truth.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm on the podcast. I'm going to hold some stuff back because it would really embarrass my wife. Right. If I said... Well, you don't know your wife then. You didn't know her then. I didn't know her then. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
put it this way this is kind of how it went down so we're going to the casino five nights a week i'm picking up a girl or two or three and i'm bringing a friend with me and it's cool we're going casino and i would tell the girls hey man my friend wants to come i'd say okay well here's the deal if your friend comes we're gonna have sex okay because if we're not all right dude i'm lying that's not how i said it i'm i'm gonna tell you what it is i'm lying
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
If your girl that comes isn't going to give me a blowjob, she ain't coming. Why am I going to take her to the casino?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Why? If we're not going to do something sexually, why is she coming?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I got three of you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, you're not riding for free. Right. You're not coming here enjoying the night and thinking you're going home. You're going to come and we're going to do things. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
right but not forcefully but they know the game that all the girls know the game let's don't play stupid okay let's don't play dumb you all know the game you all know what's up there's no oh i didn't know you knew everybody knows i'm telling you beforehand don't bring her let her know because she ain't coming i don't need her around i got three of you the fourth one does it matter or not i don't know maybe it does maybe it doesn't
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I had to deal with that all my life until I was, I think she stopped at 25. And she was cutting, which we'll get into, but she was cutting herself way before that. But I didn't know that until I was in my 20s when I found out, wait a minute, my dad knew she was a cutter? I didn't know that then.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Or they say, no, she's fine with it. She's good. She knows. No, no, no, no, no. See, that's the drill. I know you've interviewed people, but you ain't got an interview like this, bro. You ain't got no interview like this because you're going to get the dirty. You're going to get the info. Oh, no, dude. You don't, it's like, I don't know what's the word. You know the word where you, it's just said.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Like it's said with no words.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But they knew the words. Like I would tell them, don't bring your friend. Right. Or I'd say, hey, bring that girl. I want to get with her. And then they'd come or not come, whatever. So we all get taken care of, you know, and it's just the way it was. It's just the way it was, man.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah, they needed something. I needed something. We all had fun, right? It was fun. I'm not gonna lie.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It's kind of like the 70s, bro. Like a free world. It's a free world, but you gotta have the dope. Right. And the girls need the dope. So they're coming.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Okay? And I'm not a bad looking guy. So it's not like they gotta get with some dude. Because I've seen it where you're like, you know. Yeah. I've seen some tour bag dudes, but they got girls. They got girls, because if you got the bag, you got the girls. And I'm going to tell you something, too, about the girls. All the girls, they're not 10s, but they're not 3s either. They're all 6s and 7s, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They use drugs, bro. They're skinny, man. Right. Right? They ain't got no obese people, you know, very few that are using. So they're all 25, 22, 28.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
115 pounds. And they want to have a good time, right? I want to have a good time. So that's what we did. And we did that for two or three years. And Jennifer was the one that I got pregnant. And interesting story enough, you'll love this because your podcast, I know. It's the truth, man. I'm not telling you lies, bro. So Jennifer gets pregnant, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And about two or three months later, she kind of goes her own way. I'm doing my whatever. She goes her own way. But she's around. But I don't see her. She's around. And then seven months later, I get the call. She's already had the baby. Because I think this is speculation. When I tell you I don't want to lie, I'm not lying. I'm giving what I think is honest.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I don't think she knew who was the dad 100%.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So once I saw Angel two days after he was born, it's like, that's my boy. And when she had him, she stood with her grandma Kathy. And I really liked, I loved Kathy. I loved her. She took care of Angel. She adored him. She's passed away now probably about five, six years. She did not love Angel. She adored him. And she had other grandkids, but there was something about Angel that she just took to.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And they... After she had the baby, she was in Hollywood and living with her mom. And then I would go see my son. And then, but I ain't told my mom yet, right? I ain't told my mom shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I ain't told her yet. You know, I gotta go see him first, right? I gotta go see what's up. I don't know. So I go see him and it's mine. And I still ain't told my mom yet. And I told Jennifer, I'm going to take him like three or four days after he's five days after he's born. Not long. And I take him to my mom's. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I'm living like this crazy world, dude, where I'm not thinking straight either. I should have told my mom, you know, hey, man, I got it. You got a grandson and I brought him. But that's not how I did it. So I got them all waddled up, and I go to my mom's house, and I tell mom, I got a surprise for you. It's a surprise. And I'm not saying it was bright. I'm just saying that's how I did it, man.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It's just different. My mind's not right. I'm living a rock star. When you're a rock star, bro, you don't think about other people. You're like, I'm a man. Once you get to the Fed, you realize, dude, I was a guppy. But at the time, I'm the man, right? Yeah. And she closed her eyes, and I put my son Angel on her stomach. She opens her, probably not on her stomach, but close to her stomach.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And she opens her eyes and says, hey, this is your grandson. And she starts crying, bro. She's like, no, you're kidding. No, no, no. And it's true. No, no, he's mine. He's mine. And then, you know, she's shocked I got my other kids with me. And...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
yeah she's shocked and she ends up taking care of them a little bit for me um you know when uh in the beginning so after that you know i take them back and now i i worked hard all my life bro i worked in a warehouse man 17 years i grew up without a father um i was
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
was kind of poor as a child not a lot of money and and i wanted we're not going without bro okay i work hard my dad had 10 brothers my uncle leo was like shot caller mafia boss he's the oldest guy i didn't know him well um he said you got to work man like don't go get you no job this is
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
81 14 don't get you no job behind the desk you need to go work i mean they all work the fields bro all my dad now work the fields when they were young busted their ass and i've always been a worker because i didn't want to be poor but i made track i don't want to use it for track I made a bad mistake because I missed out a lot on my kids, Johnny, Frank, and Olivia.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I missed out on a lot because I worked a lot. I started selling drugs when my son was probably, my oldest was 13, and then Frank was 12, Olivia's nine, something like that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Oh, she knows, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
She knows. I'm not going to go into it. But I'm going to say this. She knows.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Her crimey, my crime, her crimey, my crimey was her middle child, Joe. She knew. So Joe was my driver. Her crimey? My crimey. I said my mistake. Well, we got into a conspiracy. So he was part of my conspiracy, my stepson. He's my crimey. We did dirt together. You didn't use that in the fit? No. You're like your code offender. No. Code offender. Okay. You ever heard of crimey? No. Now you know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So she knew. Right. But there was no, she knew I didn't use drugs.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
right so um i was giving her money she took care of my kids i took care of my kids you know uh but back to what i was saying um i just worked a lot because i didn't have a dad in my life i needed my i need to provide for my family i do that today which we'll get into provide my family i'm working hard i'm i'm living in asperia and i'm and i know you don't know spare but i'll tell you i'm living in asperia because i bought my house
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It's the outskirts of Inland Empire, and I'm working 75 miles away, okay? So I'm driving 150 miles a day to go to work, and I'm working 10, 12 hours a day in this warehouse. At least I did for five years while they were little, little. But I had to provide for my family.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And then we moved back down closer to where I worked, but I missed out a lot, and I regret that because I was too focused on work because my thought process then was – My wife's going to stay at home. She works part-time. She's going to stay at home. She's going to take care of the kids. I'm going to provide. That's what I'm going to do. And I didn't get to spend as much time with my kids.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I missed a lot. When Angel was born, it changed, bro. It changed. Because now I'm going to be a part of his life. That I wasn't with my other three. I was a part of their life.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It is what it is, right? Obviously, it hurt me, right? They came with me. They were with me like half the time until I started slang and slang. And then me and my ex-wife, we lived within a mile and a half. Because where they moved, I kind of moved so I could be around them. But when Angel was born, it's different. When Angel was born, I was...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
what is he 19 say 20 say 20 35 right he's 30 I'm 34 and my youngest daughter at the time is like 13 so I didn't think I was gonna have another one so boom he's here and I'm taking care of him and I'm doing my thing and he comes to my house on the weekends and I have one of my girls I had okay I had two girlfriends.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Two, what I would consider girlfriends, but in the drug game, they weren't girlfriends. But at the time, they were girlfriends.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They're as close as we're going to get. I don't want to say their names because I don't want to put it out there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They're identical twins.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They're identical twins. Like, I could tell them apart. You couldn't. You'd see them. You wouldn't know. And they were staying with me. And they were both my girls. And I had other girls. I had other mini girls. But they were my main girls. And they would help take care of my son on weekends. Now, when he's at that time, now in my mind, I'm a big dealer, right? But...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It was a different time because I sat there and as I got older, I sat there and wondered, why didn't I go live with my dad? My mom's got problems. I say this, I wasn't raised. I survived. Right. Which we'll get into probably periodically through this podcast was, I'm not trying to be arrogant, which we talked about. I'm just keeping it 100. I'm keeping it the truth. It is what it is.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm home often because I got runners. I got people delivering. There's no drugs at my house. There's never any drugs at my house. There might be when I buy, but there's no drugs in my house. There's never drugs in my house. That's like what it was. There was a lawyer... Not a federal lawyer. This guy ended up being a jerk. Anyway, he tells me, because they're all corrupt, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Even straight shooters are corrupt. Lawyers are corrupt.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I don't know this, dude. I don't know this, man. He tells me, and mind you, he's not a federal... Lawyer, he's a, what do you call him? He's a regular lawyer. He's a state lawyer. He's a state lawyer for drug dealers and whatever, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They take me to the room, set me down, and there's a recorder right there. They're kind of cocky too, right? They... Listen to this. Guys, you're probably going to testify against me anyway. So I might as well just tell on myself.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Nobody's gone to fed prison yet. Right, right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
or if you're a big enough dealer if you're a big enough dealer 20 grand isn't nothing anyway right so you just give him 20 grand because he says he's going to help you but they're all leeches anyway anywhere from the bottom of the the the user that wants ten dollars worth up up until the the high time um attorney yeah they're all leeches you're a money bag for everyone right right so what does the lawyer think you're getting that money anyway
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They all know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They know it's something. No, he knew it was drug money because he told me because I don't even want to mention his name. He's dead now. Anyhow, he told me if they never caught me with anything, I would never go to jail.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
That's what he told me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So now in my mind, I'm like, I'm cool because I don't never have anything at my house. And this is what I'm thinking when I finally get busted, which we'll get into later. But this is what I'm thinking when I got busted. They got shit on me, man. But the feds, they don't have to have it on you, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
People can say whatever they want. But my looks was my medication. I was fortunate to be very good looking my whole life. And having... from probably 12 years old. I didn't need to do drugs. I didn't need to get in trouble. I wasn't a troublemaker because I had girls. And with that, what's my trouble?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You know, they add the shit up. How long have you been doing this? 10 years. Yeah, we got 150 pounds. You can get up to 88 years and blah, blah, blah. So, yeah. Ghost dope. This is where... not getting, which we'll get into, not getting bail helped me tremendously. But not getting bail when I didn't get bail, I'm thinking I'm screwed. Like, come on, man. Dad, help me out here, dude.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But mind you, when I tell you in the story, my dad had 10 brothers. He was number nine, second to the youngest, and they were all fruit pickers in Central California.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
The two girlfriends are taking care of Angel.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Okay. So months are going by, a few months, and... I'm on my way to pick up Angel one night, and I get this phone call from my aunt, Sharon. She, rest in peace, my mom's half-sister. And she said, your mom's in the hospital. You need to go. It's a big problem. I don't remember exactly what she said.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, because that cutting, I said, kind of ended about 25-ish. It wasn't like that. And to be honest with you, at that time, I didn't think it was suicidal at all. It didn't enter my mind, suicide. I think she said she might have had a heart attack. So I remember I'm on my way to go get Angel in Hollywood. And my mom lives in Anaheim, which is 50 miles away. Boom, I beeline it, turn around and go.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And my mom has had a heart attack. And when I get there at the hospital, she's on a ventilator. And I open the door. And I'm like, oh shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No. And it's a fucking problem, dude. Sorry. It's a problem. And the doctor comes in and checks her pupils and said something about they're not dilated or something. And he's like, yeah, bro. She's not going to make it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
We're thinking at the time that she had the heart attack at home and by the time they got there, it was a problem. And she passed away that night. I had Angel. So they went and I told my ex-wife if she could go get Angel because we're kind of cool, right? And she's married too. And she goes and gets Angel. All my kids are there in the room and we're going to pull the plug. My son Angel's there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
My aunt's there. My mama has a twin sister. My Aunt Jackie's there. We pull the plug, and my mom passed away, and we say our goodbyes. Just to tell people, this is what happened to me. I'm not saying that's the way it is for everyone, but when they said my mom didn't have anything in her or whatever...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
When I said our goodbyes, me and my godmother, my mom's twin sister, Jackie, said our goodbyes to my mom, there was a little tear that I saw come out of my mom's eye. And we pulled the plug. Because that's the way I told my wife. I told everyone, hey, if I'm in a situation like that, pull that plug.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah, that was my comfort. It was like, hey, I know it's comfort for all, man. But for me, it was like, I didn't need to do bad stuff. I didn't need to get in trouble because I had multiple girlfriends at 12, 13, 14. But once I hit 15, 16, it was over. I had car, a little bit of money, girls. It was good times.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Pull that plug, man. I don't want to be a vegetable. I don't want to be a... Just send me up, pull the plug. If I go to heaven... That's where I'm going. I don't want to sit there and be a vegetable and say, I hope he comes back. I don't want to do that. So that's when things kind of changed a little bit because now I don't have my mom to help me. I guess for the people out there...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Obviously, it's heartbreaking when your parent passes away. But it's not as bad if you have a good relationship. Like, oh, man, we did this. We had a bad, we didn't see much. Me and my mom were cool. Me and my mom, I was her only son. So me and my mom were cool. And we had a fantastic relationship. A lot of time together.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
love my mom and you know it is what happened and we had to deal with it so after that Angel goes back to his grandmas, and now we're, like we were saying before, I'm slanging drugs still.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
She's not in the picture.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
She's not in the picture today. She's not in the picture, okay? One of Angel's half-sisters is in the picture a bit. She's a good girl, good young lady. She's 20 now. I knew her then. No, she's 22 now probably. We just saw her on Angel's graduation last week. He graduated high school.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
um but yeah she's not she's a user right um hopefully i'm she's a user today i think uh hopefully she gets it together wish her well you know um but i have to i have to play the hand that's dealt yeah this is what's dealt so you don't have anybody to help just the twins i got the twin girls and um i'm doing my thing I'm starting to see Angel's... When I go to jail, Angel's 18 months old. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So we go the year... And he's with his grandma too, right? Grandma has him most of the time. Right. But I'm giving her money. Right. I'm taking care of him. But let me tell you something about me and Angel as he's getting older. I've never experienced this, but it was something that was awesome with me and him is when I would leave the room, he would cry. We had that kind of relationship.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
He's eight months old. He's not an infant then. Eight, nine months old, 10 months old, 11 months old. I was his everything. I believe that. Even though his grandma was a big part of his life, when I would leave the room, he would cry. And he stood with me. I took care of him. And then, boom. Boom. After, in August, he's 18 months old, I go to jail. I get arrested.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I have... Can we stop?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
ah no no no no i was um i was in a conspiracy with about 14 people right so i got motion detectors around my house at that time we didn't have cameras maybe they did but this is oh four oh four or five yeah um so well i i had motion detectors right well what i'm saying is how did they even get to your house was this
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, no, no, no, no. Meeting them at the mall. You had to call them because you didn't have a cell phone. Mom and dad. But once I hit 16 and got the car, It was all good. It's all good.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Well, that would be skipping ahead to where we're at now. So maybe we'll just go with when I got arrested and I'll tell you. Yeah, that's fine. Is that cool?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm not going to forget.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You're going to like this. You're going to like this when I tell you. But it helps when you're not a drug user when you get arrested tremendously because you got your head right. When you're a user and you get busted, you ain't got your head right yet and you stumble and you make mistakes. I didn't make those mistakes. They come to the door. I hear motion. My alarms, beep, beep, beep.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They're going off. I'm in bed with one of the twins. But let's rewind with one of the twins. I never had them together. So if people are wondering, hey, this dude had identical twins together. No, we were together but separate.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
That way.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, no, no.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Somebody's left out. No, it just makes memories. It makes good memories. You know?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
When you tell people, when you tell people, hey, dude, having two or three girls at a time, that was just normal. It wasn't every day, but it wasn't like once every three months.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
every week okay so it's just normal but normal guys that never had that or wasn't in our world they're like holy but believe me it's a shitty life so let's get back to where we were at though it's a shitty life you think you're the king but you're just a piece of so um i hear the motion detectors go off i jump out of bed i hit the back door and we have a swimming pool and then there's a concrete fence about six feet high
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I don't know exactly what it is yet. Okay. I just hear motion and I'm hearing loud banging like someone's breaking this door down because I've been around that shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Not at seven in the morning. It's not a burglar coming knocking down your door like that. So I'm like, I jump up. I'm in my underwear. No shirt. I hit the back door around the swimming pool to the fence. I'm looking back and I see a cop with just his head out with a trigger and I'm like 20 yards away. He goes, don't move. Oh, fuck that. I'm sorry about that. He goes, oh no, I'm gone.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No crimes. Going to high school. Smoked a little weed when I was probably 14, which. My best friend, Jim Federico, right? So he's the one which we'll get into later that had drug problems, right? But I go to my dad's house because he's in San Francisco, right? Hayward. And I visit him and I'm like 13. And I go there for the summer, like every summer. Probably, yeah, probably 12 or 13.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Because in my mind now, I don't got anything at the house, bro. I'm thinking I'm getting raided. Okay?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I don't know. It's the feds. I think I'm just getting raided. So I'm thinking in my mind at the time, they're going to end up leaving because they ain't going to find nothing. So I'm cool.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No. so i go hide under a bush like four doors down i'm under a bush and i'm just there and i'm there and i'm seeing cop cars bro circling around but they ain't seeing me and again in my mind i'm like hey they're gonna leave because there's nothing there and then about an hour and a half i'm guessing approximately an hour and a half later One of the feds comes up.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
He goes, if you move, I'll blow your effing head off. Right. That's what he says. And I don't move. And then I get out slowly and then he cuffs me. We go around to the house.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm still in my underwear. And they set me on one of the chairs. There's like 10 of them there. And the two twins are there. And I don't even really know what they said yet. Because now I'm trying to get my bearings. Because I'm trying to figure out what's going on. Because you ain't found. I know you haven't found anything. Except maybe a pipe from one of the girls. I don't know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But they didn't find anything. And I'm getting arrested or whatever. And I got this badass Harley sitting in my garage, bro. Custom. Badass. And they put me in the...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
ford explorer i think it was put me in the explorer and we're in san bernardino and we're going to riverside which is half an hour drive now this is why not using drugs i think helps you help me is the cop wants to chop it up with me in the car but i know this dude's recording i know right he says hey man that's a nice harley I don't even say a word. I don't even comment. I don't bat an eye.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I don't do anything. And he's asking me a few other questions because I guess he tried to start with the Harley, but I ain't even talking to this dude. I ain't said a word. And he goes, oh, you're not going to say nothing, huh? And even when he said, oh, you're not going to say nothing, I didn't say nothing. I'm not saying shit. So they get me to this federal building and take me up the elevator.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm still, I got a t-shirt on now, but I'm in my underwear still. Right. Right. They take me up to some office or whatever, holding cell, but it wasn't prison, something like that. It wasn't even a cell, I don't think. It was like a room.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
If you want to look at it like that. But these dudes' suits, you know how they wear. They come in. Come with me. This is where shit starts happening now. Shit starts getting real now. Because right now I'm like, they got nothing, right? They take me to the room, set me down, and there's a recorder right there. They say, hey, they're kind of cocky too, right? Say, listen to this. Click.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And it's my voice talking to my Kinect, talking about blah, blah, blah. And they only play it for like 15, 20 seconds.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Phone call.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Because I'm going to get to this. I don't know the guy. He just brings me drugs, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I pay him. I don't know his name. I don't know. He's a phone number. I don't know nothing about him, which helped me, but I really don't. I don't know anything about him. I don't know anything about the conspiracy. Stop the tape. Anything you want to tell us? I said, now I'm fucking sorry. I'm getting cocky. I said, yeah, I think I need a lawyer. I don't say nothing. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And our neighbors are smoking weed. I never smoked weed. But when I go there, I start smoking weed. I come back to L.A., right? I'm like 13, and I tell my best friend, because he's a pretty straight shooter then, right? And I say, hey, dude, you got to try this stuff, man. It's amazing. And he starts smoking weed, and then he gets into other things later on in life.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They take me to the holding cell and in my holding cell, there's my connect. He's in the holding cell with me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Sorry. I don't know his name. I know it's him. And, um, We're kind of talking a little bit. But see, I'm naive. I've never been arrested, right? I'm naive. What's going on? He could have been wearing a wire.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
He could have been setting me up because I didn't know the game until I got to the federal county jail where I'm staying there for 28 months and I'm hearing the people's stories coming in and out. And I learned the game. But at that time, I don't know. He could have been wearing a wire.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Because he's the kingpin. There's like 14 of us. He's the kingpin, dude. Right. Yeah. So they were catching him. I just got the wave. I was their bonus, right? I'm like... And my crimey's on there too. My co-defendant.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
He's on there too.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, he was grabbed separately. He wasn't in there with us. They caught him separately. So... We go in to the judge and I don't even really know what they say, but I'm in my underwear and I'm in a t-shirt. And to tell you the truth, I don't even know what they said. Like conspiracies, whatever. I don't even, they're talking a language I don't understand.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Because I don't even know what a conspiracy is, dude. Right. Co-defendant that, I don't know anything. I'm naive. We get back into the holding cell, and there's this dude in there, and we're talking, and they bring us Subway sandwiches, dude. And I'm like, this ain't that bad. It's Subway. It's Subway, man. But the guy in there says, hey, when you come to court in Riverside, you get Subway.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It's not cool. But the food in the county is not that bad. It's not that bad where I'm going. It's not that bad. So boom. They send me up. I ain't getting out. I'm in the holding cell at the county waiting to get to my pod. And these pods aren't like federal. It's an old jail. It's a county jail that they put feds in. And most of them, half of them end up going to the fed. What do you call it?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You said earlier. I never went there. The U.S.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah, holdover. I never went there. I stayed my whole 28 months at the county. So I'm in the holding cell waiting. And I'm hearing dudes talking 18 years, 12, I'm not telling them my case. 18 years, 12 years, feds this, feds that, feds this. And I'm like, what? 18, dude, I'm in my mind. I'm not commenting. I don't know these dudes. I'm like, 18 years? It's drugs, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I've only heard people three years, four years, whatever, six years. I didn't kill anyone.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I think I've got less time for manslaughter. Not me, but other people. I've been out eight years for manslaughter. I got 18 with a pound and a half or whatever. So I'm in there hearing this, and now I'm getting concerned. I'm getting concerned, bro. I'm like 18 years, 12 years, 14 years, blah, blah, blah. I'm getting concerned. I'm in hot water. But in my mind, they ain't caught nothing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They don't have anything. I go up in the holding cell. I go up into the pod. There's like 45 of us. This is where I'm going to live for the next 28 months, right? But I don't know it at the time. I'm in there. I'm hearing stories. I'm learning game. I'm peeping game. Mind you. I got a lot of money, bro. I got good money. I'm good. I got good money. Made a lot of money.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I don't really do any drugs later on in life, which we'll talk about, but that's where it kind of all started.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Guys in there getting store, whatever. I'm getting store in the beginning, right? I'm good. In the beginning, you're smiling like, oh shit, it's coming. And it is, because it's drugs and you don't get nothing back. You don't get no returns. You don't get no refunds. People that owe you money, that's gone. You can't do nothing, that's gone.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Even your best friend that owes you money, you ain't getting that, bro. So I'm in there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm three months in. I'm three months in and I know now we're going to get bail, right? You got a right to bail. Everybody gets a right to bail. I get there, I got three kids. I've been working a job for 18 years. I go there, the feds don't give you bail, but I don't know this, right? I'm naive. My dad comes down. He's there at the hearing. And my mom has already passed.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So my dad comes down and they're like, hey, no, you ain't getting bail. You're a flight risk. Flight risk? What do you mean flight risk? How am I a flight risk? I'm not arguing, but in my mind, I'm pissed. Because how am I a flight risk? I got three kids. I don't have a passport. Where am I going?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Never lived anywhere but California. But you ain't getting bail, bro, unless you got a house. They do everything they can not to give you bail.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah, so I graduate high school in 1985, Whittier High. So interesting enough, my mom marries a guy who works for a cardboard box factory where they make boxes. I forgot the name of it, but it's in City of Industry. It'll probably pop into my head sometime.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
See, I didn't know that at the time. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They'd be like, of course, you're going to get bail, buddy. No. No bail for me. And I could have maybe got bail if my dad would have put up his house. But my dad's old school. Yeah. He's Mexican. Remember? Nine brothers. Yeah. Nine brothers. He's the number nine. My dad's hard. Yeah. He's hard like that. He's cool. But at the time, I'm pissed. At the time, I'm like, dude, you're my dad.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Where do you think I'm going to go? Like, you know I'm not going nowhere. But I'm not arguing with him. In my mind, I'm thinking this. And no bail for John. So...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
oh god okay so now i've already been there three months and i know now a little bit of the game not a lot i'm gonna be there a while i'm gonna be there a while because this is feds you ain't going to trial you ain't getting none of that for two years or 18 months right are you still thinking they don't have anything no or by now you're starting to realize at that time i'm screwed bro yeah i know already i know already is this just from the other inmates or have you talked to an attorney yet
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
uh inmates inmates inmates inmates the in the discovery i'm screwed oh you got the discovery yeah i'm screwed you saw the names the only thing they found was the pipe from your girlfriend they didn't find anything they didn't find anything i think when we were talking like the only thing they could have found was a pipe right but they were probably like i'm here for him and i wasn't there i left i ran right so three months in um i'm like um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
What's the guy in the Bible who has his hair long? Samson. Samson. I'm Samson, dude. I got long hair, right? I'm three months in. I still got long hair. After three months, I don't have long hair no more, dude. I shaved it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Why? I ain't going nowhere, bro. I ain't going nowhere. Gonna be here a while. I ain't going. This home. I'm not going nowhere. I'm gonna be there for a while.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I was a renter. I was renting.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Oh, you're like this. All the stuff's gone, dude. I knew that six weeks in. The twin girls, they sold it all, kept it all. And they came to visit me here and there, both of them, right? Not together, but both of them. And two months in, two and a half months in, I got no more money. I'm broke. I got no store. I got no nothing. I'm broke. But I'm smart. And I'm crafty.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I'm figuring out the game. But it takes a minute. Because the people that run the game in the county have the game until they leave. Right? So I'm getting there more time, and I'm scoping, and my turn's coming up to run game, but I'm not there yet. So I'm broke. I tell the twin girls, I said, you know what? Because they're like, oh, we're going to get married.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
and uh his name is george george shipley anyhow um he's working um in this carbo fox factory his whole life this is what he does he's making like 40 grand a year 45 grand we're living okay we're living pretty good actually 45 grand a year in 1985 it's not bad right it's cool so now i'm thinking that's what i'm gonna do because you know we were poor me and my mom when we were young we're poor so um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm going to marry you, blah, blah, blah. Hey, just go. You're a headache.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I had to deal with you. You're a headache. I know I got 10 years coming in my mind, somewhere in there. I got 10 years coming. I'm better off by myself.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I'm seeing guys on the phone.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Stress box.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm not stressing, dude. Yeah. I'm not stressing no more because I know where I'm going. I know what I gotta do. I know the game. And I'm learning in the county. And the first thing I start doing is I'm running a casino now. I'm the casino guy. So we're using cut up cards. We've cut up cards for chips. You buy in. When you run out, you're out. Winner's like tournament, right? But I get an item.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm with you. I hear you. I'm going to provide. That's what I'm going to do. And I didn't get to spend as much time with my kids. I missed a lot. When Angel was born, it changed, bro. I'm not taking no women out. I'm not getting involved with nothing. Till I get my son, I'm getting involved with nothing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I take an item out of every tournament. And we're running two, three a day, right? So I'm cool now. I got store coming. I'm running the game. My case, you know, I'm learning the game. I'm learning what people do, what they don't do, how they do it, how much time, who goes where, how it goes where. And I'm talking to this one dude. His name's Kane. But I'm not going to say his last name.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
His name's Kane. And it's like 16 months in. But let's rewind real quick because I know you could clip this. Let's rewind. Just back up a minute. Angel. In the beginning, I get locked up. I'm not seeing him. I don't know where he's at. I don't know what he's doing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I don't know where they're at. I think they're in Hollywood, but I don't know. Right. No one's seen Jennifer, his mom. No one's seen him. No one's helping me. Remember, I got no family, which we'll get into later. I got no family.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
The ex-wife, she's out. She's doing her thing. She's cool, but it just didn't... You can only ask so much. Yeah. And... I'm in their learning game. I haven't heard of Angel. I hear he's sick, though. I hear he has a disease, but I don't know what it is yet at this time. I can't confirm nothing, right? I don't know nothing. Because you're in prison. You hear a lot of stories or whatever.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I'm a year in. I finally get his phone number. I get a phone number to Grandma. And I'm like, I'm going to get to talk to my son, see what's going on. I call Grandma, Grandma Kathy. I say, hey, where's Angel? It's like 9 o'clock at night, after count, 8.30. Because I probably called. How did I get the phone number? I got a thing from my ex-wife.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So after dinner, whatever I called, she gave it to me. I called grandma. Grandma says, call tomorrow. He's in bed. I said, okay. I said, I'll call tomorrow. Same time. I called him tomorrow. I never hear from her again for all the years I spent in there. I never heard from her again. Never heard about angel again. Never heard anything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
In retrospect, because I didn't know the whole game, in retrospect, I think if I would have told my lawyer, and especially at sentencing, listen, I'm a criminal. I need help. I know you're going to sentence me, and I know I'm going to do some time, but I need to see my son. I don't know where my son is. I have no contact. I hear he's sick. I think the feds would have found him. I think that...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah, but I didn't think of that, you know, because I just didn't think of it, you know. I have time to do. So that's about a year in. I talked to Cain. Cain tells me, you got to tell him what happened. You got to snitch, I guess, right? Right. But in my case, I didn't know anyone. They could ask me a thousand questions. I don't know. Where does he live? I don't know. Where does he get?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I don't know. I don't even know his name.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
They have all the recall.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
That's all. I know. I know nothing about nothing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I just want to make money to survive and live a decent life. I'm not thinking living big. I'm not thinking going to college. I'm not thinking going to military. I'm thinking I want to make a decent living. But maybe more than getting by, you know, because we weren't getting by. We were doing pretty good. You know, 45 grand a year is probably like 150 now. So it was pretty good.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And they've all been picked up.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
All of them are already cooperated. I know nothing. So when I, basically when I tell him what happened, I'm just telling on myself. Right. I'm not, I have nothing to give. And they know everything probably already anyway, right? They already know everything. So I just have to do my part so I could get a downward departure. Right. Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But again, they already knew it all and they already snitched because he told me, oh, I already know they did. My lawyers already know they did because I don't know how they know, but they're saying they already signed off or something or whatever, but you couldn't prove it. But he's like, I already know they did. So, and then my crimey, the kingpin, he left.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
He went to federal holding. And the federal holding that they go, I heard that that federal holding, that's where they take people that tell. Not everyone, but if you're in the county, because it was a shithole where I was at, and you snitch, they move you out.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Because there ain't no help. You can get some bad news in the county. It's easier to do in the county than it is to do in the federal holding. Let's say that. So I go do that, and now I'm just waiting in 16 months, 18 months. Go by, and mind you, I'm in there 28 months, and I'm like, oh man, sentencing date comes, and then it gets pushed back.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And you know in the feds, if you, they shut down the courts and the transportation in December for like two months, two weeks, I'm sorry, two weeks. So... I get sentenced like in October and 26 months in and I'm like, and it usually takes four weeks to get out of there. I've been there 28 months. I know how it works, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They're gone. I'm in there four weeks and I'm like, I'm still here. And it's November. And then another week goes by. Another week goes by. I call my lawyer. And I says, hey, dude, I'm still here, man. It's been seven weeks. I should be gone. And he says, oh, I'm going to check into it. I'm going to check into it. Okay. But there's an important part of the story. How much time did you get?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I did four years, 10 months. I think I got, what's that, 56 months, something like that. It's been 12, 13 years. But here's the kicker. Here's where the craftiness and the brains come in where I got four years off my sentence. Oh, yeah. And I didn't have to say a word to tell Snitch, and this is what I did. Not everyone does this. This is what I did. My lawyer comes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's like on a Sunday, and he comes to the county. He says, it didn't work out as well as I thought, but I have your, what do they call it, plea agreement, I guess? Sentencing or whatever. And they want to give you 12 years. 12 years. 144 months. But I'm thinking seven, eight. Because I've been around, right? I've been around. I've heard. I've known the stories. I know what happened.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I know who did what. And I was like, okay. So I'm reading it. This is the kicker. This is it right here. It says, oh, seven pounds of methamphetamine at 95% pure. And I look at him and I says, like, you're him? I says, hey, that wasn't 95% pure. He says, how much was it? And this is where I got, saved me four years. He goes, how much was it? I says, I'm not going to tell you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I start working for CoreCraft two days after I turn 18, because they won't hire me until I turn 18. So I turn 18 in September, and then I start working there two days after. And then I worked there for 17 years, grinding. It was a grind. Hated that place. 17 years daily waiting for the clock to get to, you know, whatever the end time was. So, yeah, I worked there for 17 years starting in 1985.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm not going to tell you what it is. How do you know it wasn't 95%? Because I know it wasn't 95%. So it turns out that they never tested it. So instead of it being seven pounds and 95 or 98% purity, it was seven pounds of a mixture. That was the wording, a mixture of methamphetamine. So now that took me down, boom, boom, boom, boom, down the departure. And that's where I got.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It ended up being seven. I don't know how, nobody knew. They didn't test it. Because that's what I told them. I said, I'm not going to tell you. You got to tell me. They got to tell me what it was. Right. But I'm telling you right now, it wasn't 95%.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, I don't think they did because they never came back with it. They just came back.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
We'll just give them what it was.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
We'll just, the magical 98% purity. We'll just, yeah, he's right. Like, they tried to catch me, you know? Yeah. Anyone else, because they don't know. Yeah. Oh, I guess it was. You know, let's see. Can we get two years off? Can we try? No, dude. I'm not going to tell you. You got to tell me. And they never did. That's where I got the time off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Seven pounds of a mixture.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Oh, 58 months, something like that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I did four years, 10 months. But, you know, you got good time and you got the halfway house that I did.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It would have been like nine probably. Nine, yeah, yeah, okay. So they knocked off like 40%, 30, 40%.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So again, prefaces when they say, Oh, this guy's a snitch or whatever. Look, man, They already knew everything. Yeah. They already had it on tape. Yeah. They didn't just have it with words. They had it all on recordings. Okay. I didn't give them nothing except for what happened to me. Right. Because I had nothing else to give. Everybody's already cooperating. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I'm just saying, I had no other information from me help them with anything except me. Right. Yeah. And they had me anyway. Guys were probably going to testify against me anyway. So I might as well just tell on myself.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You made the right call. That's the game. That's why I'm glad I didn't get bail. Because I wouldn't have had this knowledge if I got bail. So it was great that I didn't because also the time was hard in the county. Right. 28 months. Where did I go after they sentenced me? I went to a camp, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Many times.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Especially I was in the county, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Flavored creamer in your coffee, bro?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
sorry my fault my fault so sad yeah i wrote it on the list i don't see your name it's on there oh i see it right here yeah i see it i see it yeah you got it you got it you got it so so check this out finally i get to um they send me to uh Victorville.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But that's not where I go. They got to transition. That's where they fly people out, bus people out, blah, blah, blah. But lucky me, I go there at Christmas time. So now I got to sit in Victorville's 10-man holding cell with an hour a day out. Right. For two weeks. So... Kind of lucky, fortunate, whatever. I meet this one homie, and he says, hey, where are you going? I said, I'm going to Atwater.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I started at the bottom within probably... Three years, I'm making 18 bucks an hour. That's 19, well, probably 87. I make 18 bucks an hour. It's not bad, right? It's like 30, 40 bucks. And I'm 20, you know? And then I become, about 22, I become a working foreman. So now I'm in charge of about, and that's pretty young for a 22-year-old guy, but...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Hey, tell the guy who gives the clothes out. I said, what's up? Whatever. I forgot his name, what his name was. Say Steve, whatever. I said, okay, cool, cool. So, boom, I get to county. I'm going to get to, I go in. There's Atwater high level, and there's Atwater camp. Camp. So I'm with dudes, dudes. Yeah. Okay. And I'm with a few campers, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I don't tell them I'm a camper. I don't say shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, I wasn't like that. Oh, my God. No. Look at you. No, I wasn't like that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, I'm not hard, but I wasn't like that. Because I was in county for 28 months. I got into some fights, okay? I've been in fights my whole life here and there. So I'm not the tough guy. I'm not the guy who says, oh, come. I'm not that guy. I don't know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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so what happened so i get i get in the county and they got to give you the clothes as soon as you get there separate from the big dorm big dorms like 125 40 people i don't know exactly so i get there and the guy who passed out the clothes i forgot his name same steve hey your homeboy so-and-so said to say what's up And he gives me good clothes, right? Because, you know, whatever.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And then I walk into the doors. Mind you, I've done 28 months with some dudes, okay? And I've done some time. Not serious. 28 months in county, some time, bro. Right. I walk into the camp, and it's a lot of people, and it's kind of quiet-ish compared to where I was at because everyone's got headphones. We didn't have headphones in the county.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So one of the homies comes up to me and they're showing me the layout. Here's the bathroom. But there's no politics pretty much at all in the camp. It's a camp. It's a camp. Showing me around, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then there's like seven, eight other dudes there, homies. And he tells me as we're walking, hey, what'd you do? I said, I mean, I just got into some bullshit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And so we're walking around, and he says, stop for whatever, introduce whatever. And he says, hey, man, some of these guys, and I'm going to get a little loud right now, just so you know. He says, some of these guys said, you might be a snitch. And I'm like, oh, I'm pissed. Because I'm like, wait a minute here, dude. We're in a camp, bro. We're not with no hard criminals here.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So everybody snitched in this place, bro. If 98% of the people snitch, I'm not telling them this, but I'm like, hey, dude, no. Because in my mind, I know you all snitched. You're on camp. You ain't no hard criminal. 98% of the people snitch. And you're telling me you're the select few because this is a hard camp? No, dude. This is a camp. This is a camp. You all snitched.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, there is no hard camp.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah. There's some hard people in there that have come down. Yeah. Some.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
None. So I'm like. I'm pissed because first of all, I'm no chomo.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Because you can't be in a camp if you're a chomo. Right. So I ain't that. And you're going to be worried if I'm a snitch when we're in a camp. Yeah. Nah. So I said, I'm not sleeping around you guys. I'm sleeping over here. And that's where I stood. Do you know why? Because I'm a prick. That's why. I'm a prick. I know I'm an asshole sometimes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I don't care. And whatever's on, it's on, I guess. But I'm not going to be... It wasn't really homies in the camp.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I'm not going to be over there. I'll be over here. So I do my time in the camp. Mind you, it's now 29 months. And I'm cool. Because I know it's a... I'm watching a Super Bowl. We got creamer coffee. Right. I'm working in the kitchen because they told me you don't got no money. You got to work. Go to the kitchen. Go work in a kitchen. Go work in a kitchen. I'm working in the kitchen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I got easy time, bro. I'm in a camp. As far as if you got to do time goes. Right. And no one's really fighting much. Not much. No one wants to leave the camp. So. I get there, still no angel, talking to my kids on the phone. And I say it's January. I know I got a year and four or five months. I haven't done the full calculations yet, but I got a year and four or five months left.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I moved up, which we'll get into more and more, but I have a very strong work ethic. I don't play. It's work. I work. And then obviously they recognize that. And I'm a bit of a perfectionist. So everything's got to be done right. And it's got to be done perfect or close to perfect or I got a problem. So yeah, I work there. I'm 22. I'm supervising guys.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I've just done 28 months in the county. I'm cool here. I can deal with this. So in my process now, now I'm starting to think, What's the game plan for getting out? What's life's plan? What's the game plan? What's going on?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah. And I'm getting out to nothing. And I know I'm not getting out to nothing. What are you going to do, John? Internally, what am I going to do? Well, like I said, I'm not being arrogant. I'm a good looking guy. I'm going to come out shredded. I'm going to come out looking the best I can look.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Some guys want to come out bulk, but for some reason I don't put on a lot of muscle, but I can come out shredded with muscle. And I come out after county, I'm shredded, bro. And I hit the halfway house. So basically in the county, it was just pretty much easy time, softball, regular, you know, no big stories, nothing big happened. I got to see my kids and hug them after college.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Three years, because in the county you couldn't touch anyone. They came and visited me one time. My dad brought them. So when they came to the visiting room, I got to hug them. Mind you enough, you do get furloughs. I don't know if they do it now, but back in the camp then, you got furloughs. So they don't get furloughs anymore?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So you got a weekend furlough. I think the first time, because I wasn't there long enough. The first time you got 24 hours, not 24, I'm a liar. You get like 12 hours, 14 hours. And then actually there was some guys, if you had done like five, six years there, eventually you got a weekend. It wasn't often. I don't even remember how often it was, but...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I remember when my dad came and visited me, it was the day before my birthday, and I planned my furlough, because it's in September, on my birthday. So I got to furlough out on my birthday and spend it with my kids and my dad. So my dad lives by Atwater, so we went to, that's why they sent me to Atwater, because I basically told them, send me wherever you want, because I got no family.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It don't really matter. The closest camp was Taft. but I was thinking I don't really care I don't have a lot of time left so send me wherever you want to send me it didn't matter but they sent me to Atwater because that's the address I put because that was my dad's I didn't have an address right so my dad would visit me here and there cool came to visit me um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
so I get to spend the birthday with my kids get back I got a new pair of tennies I'm happy because you could bring tennies in they didn't trip you know I'm running the kitchen I got vegetables I got real eggs I got I'm cool I got things going on I'm cooking for some dudes or whatever
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I would sell food, chicken, because they make tacos and nachos later when it was chicken day or whatever. Fish. We had fish, so I'd fry the fish.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm making 45 grand a year, 40 grand a year, 1988. I become a supervisor then about three years later, and I'm there for 17 years, grinding, which is what I try to teach my grandchildren now is Jaden's about 12 and Juju's like... Eight, you need to go college, you need to learn a trade, you need to learn something. You can't be grinding. Right. Having a life that grinds, it's horrible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, I don't know what day was what day for that. I don't think it was like that with the... Yeah, they did, but I don't remember what day it was.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Or chicken leg quarters. That was cool. But I wanted to say, because I saw you on some of your podcasts. You said on one of your podcasts, you said... What was I going to do? I had 18 years or whatever many years you had to do. I forgot the number. 26 years. What am I going to do? Stay to myself? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I got to mingle. I got to mingle with some people, right? Yeah, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I mean, I got too much time. I still have myself. Yeah. I didn't have a lot of time left. You didn't have a lot of time. I was like, I'm not dealing with these dudes, you know, and I dealt with very few. I knew I had, you know, so little time. 14 months is a long time, but...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
for the feds it wasn't i guess right so i kind of just stood to myself did my time worked out had workout partners cool dudes good dudes tv games i'm a sports fanatic a lot of sports a lot of sports betty going on everywhere not me but a lot of that so now we're getting to the part with the angel part right right and i know people are going to be like nah that's that's bullshit it couldn't happen that way but it's kind of like a fairy tale story dude like
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm three weeks from the house, going to the halfway house, okay? And still no contact with Angel, nothing. And then my ex-wife, I'm calling my kids, and she gets on the phone, and she says, Angel's in foster care, and I have a phone number for you to call. This whole time, I'm thinking he's with Grandma. I don't know any different.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I get the phone number, I go to my case manager the next morning, because you don't even have certain phone numbers you can call with the feds. You can't just call out the numbers.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Right. I go to my case manager, case worker, whatever. We call him from his phone. I'm John. I'm Angel's dad. I'm going to be out in three weeks. I want him. What do I need to do? How do I need to do it? And they really didn't tell me how I need to do it. They were basically like, call us when you get out.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So, boom. I get out. And for those of you who have done time, maybe five to four years isn't for a lot of people. Maybe it is for a lot of people. But it's the greatest day of your life. I was so euphoric when I saw my dad at the bus stop. I was like, oh, freedom. I was so happy. I'd done my four years, 10 months, and I'm happy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And instead of taking the bus, my dad drove me to San Bernardino to the halfway house. So I get his phone and I call the case. I'm sorry, I call it CPS or whatever. I'm out. What do I need to do? How do I need to do it? Blah, blah, blah. He's got a court case in like three weeks. He's in foster care, whatever. How long had he been in foster care? Two years. See, I didn't know that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
He was in foster care when I called grandma. When she said he was asleep.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, and the bummer thing about it is if had I known, I know my ex-wife would have taken him. She got three of my kids. She'd have taken him. He never had to been in foster care. I got brother and sister that I think if I would have called them, they might have taken him to better than foster care.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I don't know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I really, I really don't know. I never asked because like I tell you, I'm laser focused.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
That don't matter to me anymore. Right. How he got there doesn't matter.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm out. What do I need to do to get him? Right. That's it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Whatever else happened, it don't matter. Right. I got to get my son. What do I need to do to get my son? So- I get to the halfway house. We call him again. He's got a court date like two, three weeks later, whatever have you. And I hit the court. My dad bought me a truck. He got me a truck when I got out. A used truck, but I didn't have any money. I didn't have anything. So I was busing it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Here's a guy who was balling, making 15 grand a week, comes out, and he's taking the bus. No money. And that's what I was doing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So my dad buys me the car, the truck, and I go to the first visit. I got two of my kids with me and we meet at a park and he comes up to me, dude. Can't even describe the feeling, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Four and a half, five, five.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And we hugged he he's not a shy shy but he's scared maybe i guess something but he knew i was dad like not because he remembered but they told him he's smart and we hugged and we played and we got an hour and it was great and um yeah um that's how it worked out the first time but let me tell you rewind just real quick to the court when i walk into the court the very first time They're pissed.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It's horrible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I lived it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm standing up. I'm John Rodriguez. I'm Angel's dad. The judge looks at me. I've been gone for years, right? And his attorney, because the kids have an attorney, right? She goes, like, where you been? And I'm not saying much. I'm here. What do I need to do? How do I need to do it? Yeah. Whatever. And that's when they set up the visitations. So we got the visitations.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But right when I walked out the door, because I'm telling him I want to get my son, my son's lawyer says, yeah, we'll see. We'll see what you do. Cocky. But I'm laser focused.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No. Because I know at that time I'm getting my son.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
She's seen a lot. Yeah. And like I said, what she says doesn't matter. Yeah. What anyone says doesn't matter because I know where I'm going. I don't know how I'm going to get there because I don't know career path. I don't know exactly what's going on. But I just know I'm going to get them because I'm not going to do anything not to get them. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So, yeah. So being that I'm an only child now, we'll probably get into it later or sometime. I have a half brother and a half sister that live in Georgia. So my mom and dad divorced when I'm in elementary school. My mom never has any other kids and gets remarried when I'm like 15.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I'm working for an air conditioning company as a gopher because I got to get a job, right? Yeah. I mean, you can't walk out and be a CEO or a manager of something. You got to grind.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So for the felons out there or whatever that we talked about earlier, just go get any job. And kick ass at it. Be the best. If you got to work at a donut shop, you make those donut circles and you put that circle donut and you frost it right. And you make that look like you creased your pants on going on a visit. You know what I'm saying? And you kick ass for six months.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So when you go to the restaurant that you want to be a worker at or a real construction or whatever kind of job, you say, look, I know I'm a felon. I know that I had problems, but I've been working at this donut factory, and I've been there for six months. I never missed a day, and I've never been late. Now I want to come work for you. Let me tell you what I could do. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And that's what I did as the gopher. I'm the nobody. But cool. And my ex-wife got me the job because I got to get out of the halfway house while I was working. Right. Mind you, I got no family. I got no money. I got the truck. My dad's family, but he's 400 miles away.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And so I'm there, and I see a little riffraff in whatever, the halfway house. I'm not involved. I get my truck. I do that. And then my ex-wife gets me, and I'm going to the court. I think there was a couple court dates, but it was more visits, one-hour visits once a week, never late. The foster care lady, I only got an hour, and you weren't getting an hour in one minute.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You weren't getting an hour in three minutes. Like, wrap it up, dude. 58 minutes, you know? And again, I'm focused. Whatever you do, as mean as you want to be, I don't care. I'm getting my son. So then, I'm talking, I actually met Grandma for the first time, Grandma Kathy, after I got out at one of Angel's doctor visits. So, can we pause real quick? Mm-hmm. We haven't gone into his disease yet.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Right. We got to bring that up. Yeah, yeah. Bring it up now. So is now the first doctor visit like the right time?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay. So that's what I wanted because we hadn't done it yet.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Can I get another Coke?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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All right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay. So the first time I see grandma for the first time, and mind you, I'm shredded. I wasn't shredded going in. It's a little overweight. Not a lot. A little overweight. But right now I weigh about 192 pounds. Then I weighed about 162. Right. Okay. She didn't even recognize me. She had no idea who I was, and we were sitting 10 feet apart at Angel's IV.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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My dad, on the other hand, he probably gets married, I'm probably nine, he probably gets married when I'm 12 to a lady and she's got two kids and they end up having two kids. So he has a daughter and he has a son, Victor, daughter Lucia and Victor.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He had to get an IV every four weeks to help with his immune system. Right. Because Angel, he has a disease, and the disease is called, and you'll post it up. We won't put it on here exactly, but antaxia talcantasia. So basically, it's an immune deficiency disease, and it attacks your blood cells and attacks your nervous system. And basically... Take your time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You're pretty... You're fairly normal when you're little. Right, right. You know, I noticed he was a little off at 18 months, but he will, yeah, maybe it was 16 months, but I couldn't pinpoint it. You know, he fell a little more maybe than others. Okay. But it wasn't noticeable, noticeable. But I knew it when I saw him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But the first doctor visit that I went to for his IV, for his immune system, that's where I see the grandma. And I find out that it just debilitates you. As time goes on. As time goes on. So when I met him, he could walk. But he couldn't stand straight. He could stand up, but he would wobble. a little bit, but he could play. He could run. He could play kickball.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He couldn't play baseball, but he could kick a ball and walk. So I have my own apartment. We're at the doctor's. That's where I meet her. She's like, hey, are you blah, blah, blah? And I was like, yeah, because I was like, Kathy, Kathy. She took back like, hey, it's John. She didn't know. What are you doing here? I'm here, Angel. Because the foster care lady is bringing him to the IV.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm not bringing him to the IV. She's not bringing him to the IV. The foster care lady is bringing him to his doctor's appointment.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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To see him. She loved him. She's a good grandma. She loved him. Things happened. I don't know what, but irrelevant. And she's part of his life and she loves him. I'm not going to be mad at her for whatever happened because I think all children need love from grandma, grandpa, whoever. And if it's a bonus, keep it. It's a bonus, man. He needs love.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So now at this point, me and Angel have our own apartment. It's just me and him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He came after about two months. We had weekend visits, but only with Grandma Kathy. Right. Grandma Kathy had to be there for the weekend. Right. And his sister. Sister about two years older. She was probably nine then or something. So he came on the weekends. And then I took him back Sunday or Monday or whatever it was. The caseworker's name was Mr. Penrose. Penrose, right? Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And he's come to the house and I said, you know, I know you're gonna keep coming to the house. I'm gonna let you know, it doesn't bother me. Because I know eventually you're not gonna come to the house anymore. Because the house was spotless. And I was a vegetarian. And we ate good. Everything was clean. Everything was in order. Exceptional. Like, clean freak. Like...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I'm away, you know, I'm the visitor, dude. I'm the guy that comes on the summer. And then I'm the guy that leaves in August. So they deal with me for two months. When I say deal with me, not that I got into trouble, but I wasn't...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
like prison prison will do that to you clean so when they came wasn't a problem this was like August I remember it was August mind you I've been out since April now tell you this I had an opportunity to get with women while I was out I had people want to introduce me apartment blah blah blah it's April I haven't been with a woman in four and a half years right but I'm laser focused bro I'm not getting with no women I'm not taking no women out
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm not getting involved with nothing. Until I get my son, I'm getting involved with nothing because my focus is to get my son. So I went out with no one. I called no one. I was going to church stuff, but no individual dating, no group dating, nothing. Because I'm getting my son. I got to get my son. So I get him in August, and now they're not coming, and they're signed off. No, I'm lying.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Rewind. He lived with me in August. They signed off in December. And we're living by ourselves this whole time since probably June-ish. It's just me and him. And it's like, I kind of viewed it like the courtship of Betty's father. I don't know if you remember the show where it was the guy who played the Hulk. Was it Bill Bixby or something? And he had a soul son.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It was just him and his little son. Right. And it was a show about them. Okay. That was me and my son. It was just me and him. Nobody else. You know, out to eat. I'm working now as an apartment manager, but I'm also getting bonuses by... Doing clean outs of apartments. Because it's a big... It's H&J probably... They manage like 30 different apartments. I just managed one of them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
My ex-wife was the director. So they gave you 150 bucks every time you got to clean out an apartment when they left and they left it a mess. And they did. I'd make 150 bucks if I cleaned it out. But the bonus was I got to keep something for a yard sale that I could sell at a yard sale to make extra money. So 150 bucks and I might find... $100 worth of whatever. So I was doing that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I cleaned up yards for the apartments. It didn't matter because I work. I don't care what kind of work it is. Whatever it is, just tell me what I got to do and I'll do it. And they loved me because I have a good personality and I can talk so I could rent properties. So I would rent other apartments in another apartment buildings for them. And they'd give me money. So we did that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
had an issue my issue when i was younger was my mom's an alcoholic okay i got big problems i got i got massive problems i'm eight at nine i don't got big problems i got massive problems but when i go to my dad's and i had i told this to gail sorry i told this to gail probably
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Once December came, I went out on my first date. Because now I had my son. And now we're good. We're settled in. We have a good relationship. Blah, blah, blah. And... taking him to his doctor's appointments, taking him to infusions, doing everything that I need to do to stay on track. And I'm cool. I'm not even a problem. I go to a Christmas party. I meet a girl. She's an RN.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Because, mind you, when I'm in prison, I have a lot of time to think. Right. And I'm not getting with the girl that's got two kids living with mom when I get out. Right. Because I don't have nothing. I'm not homeless anymore, but I don't have a lot. I have a good work ethic, and I'm smart, and I'm crafty, but I'm not getting another anchor. I'm not getting an anchor. I'm getting a winner. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Period. I'm getting a winner. She's an RN. Took her out once. I already knew immediately she wasn't the one because I already, in my mind, I'm not wasting time dating girls that I know I'm not going to marry, that I know I'm not going to marry. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm not going to say the first date, I know I'm going to marry them, but on the first date, if I know they're not the one, there ain't no sense in starting a sexual relationship because we can and then get twisted into that because I'm not having that. I went out on a second date with this other girl that worked for the county. This is like in early January and, um,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
She tells me about 10 minutes into the date. She goes, yeah, sometimes I get drunk. I said, oh, yeah, okay, good. I'm playing it off. Cool, whatever. And right there, immediately, boom, you ain't the one. That's all. That's all you had to tell me. You ain't the one.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, she was like, if I remember correctly, she was like, sometimes I get drunk like that. But drunk or whatever, because I don't drink. I don't drink. I still don't drink. I don't smoke. So I want to get with a woman that doesn't drink and doesn't smoke. And when you tell me that you get drunk sometimes, I already know you're not the one.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And mind you. Like, I'm ready to go with the woman, you know what I mean? Like, I've waited, I've done my time. Like, for instance, I've done my time. Right. And I've had girls come up to me and I'm like, before, I don't initiate. Like, I don't give them that energy. Even though they're giving me the energy, I'm not giving them the energy, bro. Right. Because I'm on a mission. So...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
In late January, I'm on MySpace and I'm trying to find. MySpace. MySpace, not Facebook yet. I'm on MySpace and I'm trying to meet women or whatever have you and some lucky reason enough, my wife replied back. And she says, hey, I'm at the movies. You mind if I call you later? And she did. And it turns out she has a house in the hills. She's a principal. Smart, witty, pretty, good personality.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
My wife is the kind of person that she could just make friends with everyone. She's not social, blah, blah, blah. But everybody loves her. Everybody likes her. She's a very extremely nice, straight shooter person.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
woman you know um educated and all these bucks are check check check check hmm we go out on a date okay i don't know if i'm gonna marry you but it's a it's a good road checking all the boxes checking all the boxes So we're dating for a couple months. It's still me and Angel. And, you know, she's a principal. What are her friends? They're all principals. Her best friend's from high school.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
four or five years ago i was a little jealous i was very jealous who's gail gail is my dad's second wife okay okay so at this time i don't know this but through my therapy and stuff i i kind of realized that i kind of gave gail issues well i did give gail issues sorry but i did right not like anything major but i wasn't the greatest kid but i wasn't horrific i was a bad kid to her specifically uh because i was jealous she's a good woman she is still a good woman and um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
She knows. She knows. Third date. I didn't think you should lead out with that, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Right, I never let out with it, but... About the third date, I let her know, hey, you know, I got my son. And I did prison time. I told her a little bit about it. And she was cool with it. But her friends weren't. All her friends are, they're not yippity people. They're like upper middle class-ish, right? And I'm a prick. I'm the low life to them. I don't know what they said.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I know they didn't like me. And I know her mom didn't like me. Okay, what, just prison, what? That's just icing on the cake. But I don't know all this, and we're dating. She loves me now, right? We're cool. And at two months, three months, I'm like, hey, now this, I don't see any signs that this is gonna end. There is no signs that tell me we're not gonna get married.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm not proposing yet, but I don't see anything wrong with us getting married. And I am kind of a loser in a way to the outside world. I live in an apartment. I'm an apartment manager. I've done prison time. I don't have a lot of money.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No. But I have a good work ethic. And I know my wife probably noticed that. And I'm a good dad because now I had my son, right? And it's all about my son. And I'm staying on the track to get my son. No more visits. It's a fairly normal life. I'm still in the halfway house. No, actually, I'm not in the halfway house. I'm sorry. But I had the six months in the halfway house where I had to check in.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Even though I had my apartment, drug test, you know, blah, blah, blah. But I'm all past that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
What's that? It's a bracelet. And you know, if I'd have told my wife it was a bracelet, she'd believe me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
That's my wife. I'd say, you know, I bought it at Ross on clearance. It blinks. She'd have said, oh, really? She'd have believed me. And she's smart, but she's just that way, you know? She'd believe me. Elena is her name. Got to put a name on it. So, but the bummer thing real quick on the halfway house part was, you were in the halfway house, right, and stuff.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Did you have family when you came out to stay with or whatever? No.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Where'd you go when you left and you left on the weekends? I know we went on the weekends.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I wouldn't have had $3.75 to give them anyway. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I only made minimum wage and I worked 30 hours a week and they took 25%.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Absolutely.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It just sucked. How come they didn't let you leave if you wanted to for a Saturday and come back Saturday night?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I didn't have that. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
See, I didn't get an ankle monitor even when I went home.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah, I like the halfway house way better.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
To me, because I got to get out. I had kids.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
On a scale of one to 10 on a marriage towards the end, that was a one and a half. Me and my ex-wife Lucy, now as divorced parents, to 10. She's good people. I really, I kind of, I... She's good. We get along fantastic. We talk once in a while. And we're friends. And it's evolved. It's took time. But she's good people. She helped me a lot.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I'm fortunate enough now to help her sometimes because I make good money.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But... When I was the manager, remember, she's the district manager.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So she sent me on errands.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But there were no errands.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You understand what I'm saying?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And they came one time to my apartment building because I had like 25 apartments, right? And they were going to violate me. And I got angel, right? They were going to violate me for a day and send me back to the halfway house for weekend or whatever because I wasn't there when they came. And I wasn't. And I said, no, no, man, I was there. I was in the back fixing an apartment.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You didn't go back there, even though I wasn't. Right. And they didn't let me go. And let me tell you something about Halfway House. The counselors there, not cool with me. Not cool. But I'll tell you something. The director, I forgot what her name is. It may hit me as we're talking. Awesome. And she's a hard woman. She's dealing with felons.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
She's making big decisions on 20, 30-year people, four-year people, camp people, high-level prisoners, all this when they get there. Right. She knew I was focused. She knew it. Because she had told me, she says, you know, not a lot of men would do what you're doing. And I'm like, I don't understand really what you're talking about. But I think everyone does. It's my son. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
She didn't help me per se to do anything wrong, but she gave me a little leeway. Not to do wrong things, but hey, you want to go see your son? He gets three hours. He gets to go see his son. It wasn't a dispute or- Fill out the form. Yeah, no, no, no.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Then he's got to be- I'd go see her and she'd say, oh, no, no. He's going to go see his son on Tuesday because I only get an hour. It's not like I get to change shit, right? Right. So in the beginning, and I thank her for that. because she recognized it. So anyway, me and my ex-wife, we're cool, and she helped me there and finagled some things. She got me the job there, and I had a cool apartment.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
uh, gig because of her. Cause she put me there. It was easy for me to keep my son. Right. She didn't get me. She gave me probably a few apartment buildings to clean extra. She called me first cause I needed the money, but, uh, she didn't do anything like finagle, like money wise or whatever. So, yeah, so I'm doing that. And, um, Me and my wife were together three, four months, five months.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Her friends don't like me. Her mom don't like me. Nobody likes me, but my wife adores me, okay? Like my wife is head over heels in love with me. Like my wife loves me. Like I've never been loved in my life. I never really experienced a love like she gives. Like my wife's, she'll be nervous. She's nervous right now for me right now because I'm here. She's nervous. When I play, because she loves me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
She's like, she's like worries. Like I hope he's okay. You know, I hope he's not too nervous, you know? And when I was a pitcher in softball, because I played third base, but when I pitch, she's nervous when I'm pitching about throwing a strike or whatever. You know, she's got that connection with me. She loves me. And I never really experienced what that kind of love is.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So her parents, they're not giving me bad vibe energy. They're not together, by the way. They're not giving me bad vibe energy. But they're not giving me good positive energy either. Right. So when I ask her to marry me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No. That seems crazy. It wasn't on their list. Shocking to me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm not the guy who plays golf in a collar, bro, on Sundays, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm not that guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
The ACDC shirt and tucks it into his jeans and thinks that's a cool look. I'm not that guy, bro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
i'm not that guy so um and she's got like three or four best friends like best friends from high school that she she's connected with right like my you know we're 40. yeah same age she's six months older younger than me and uh when i asked her to marry me she immediately says yes but that night i don't even know i'm gonna ask her to marry me i just went over to her house and we started talking and then
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It was rough.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I just said, hey, you want to marry me? I didn't get on my knee or nothing. We're talking. And she says, yes. And we were married. We met in January. We were married in September. I've been married ever since. She's the only woman that I've ever been with since I've been out of prison.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It's hard to explain. But when you're eight and you're by yourself and your mom's drunk, I used to use the word, I never even used the word drunk. I used the word obliterated. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Well, we've been married since then. Married kind of right away. We agreed that just family was going to come because my wife's successful, but at that time, we didn't have a lot of money. She's cool. She made good money, but we didn't have a lot of money. Yeah, yeah. We were getting by. We had a nice house.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No, we had a nice house in the hills. We were getting by. Bills were being paid, but there wasn't money sitting in the account. And at that time, I'm a loser, right? I got no job. I mean, when I asked her to marry me, I have a job as an apartment manager. The day after we get married, I have no job. Why? Because I wasn't an apartment manager anymore.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You have to stay there. You have to live there. So I'm living with my wife. I gave her two-week notice. And now I'm a loser, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Not no more. At the time, one was on his way out, which he left, and the other one was like a junior in high school, Rob. He's a good dude, too. Rob's a real good dude. So is, what's Rob's other name? He's gone. Fred. They're both good dudes. Rob's real good, real good with Angel now. Real good, like brothers, tight. And so on our wedding day, I tell her I don't want her friends to come.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I know happy wife, happy life. But I don't want the bad energy, man. I'm feeling like it's a happy day for us, right? We got family, not a lot of family. My kids are there. But I don't want her friends are giving me this negative energy. And I know they don't like me, right? Because... I'm poor, right? I'm a loser. And I say that on my Facebook when I buy something because I got money.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
When I buy my Maybach and I post on Facebook, the loser does it again because I know it's a stick to them because I can tell you now, I couldn't live on the wages they make. I couldn't live on it. I couldn't do what they do. They don't make enough money. I make more money than probably all three of them put together now, but I couldn't live on what they live.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And that's not a stab like at them, but it is kind of a stab at them because I know you thought I was a loser. I don't know if this way is the best way. I know you thought I was a loser, but now I make more money than all three of you put together. So I couldn't live on your wage.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You guys are nice people, you know, in your own way, but you guys have done shenanigans with each other already that I know about that are pretty dirty. That some people might say is a loser move.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
beyond drunk and you're at you're by yourself you know and um she's cutting her wrist and it's like um it's different levels because it's not like um she cuts her wrist one time and it's a problem it's she cuts her wrist multiple times and it's a problem but it goes into another layer of which I didn't recognize at the time, but I recognize it later, is you don't know when it's going to happen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Maybe. She was nervous about what I was going to say with the girls and blah, blah, blah. But so I'm cool with them now. But I'm highly successful now.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
You know, I own a big limousine company, party bus company. I have employees. I take care of my son. I take care of three of my sons. I buy all my grandkids their clothes, their school clothes, their soccer outfits, their karate outfits, their boxing outfits, whatever they need. Whatever my grandkids need, Jade and Juju, Lexi. Lexi, not quite as much. We're not as close as Jade and Juju are.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But I take care of her too. But whatever my two grandsons need,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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they got as long as they haven't whatever so far in their life whatever they've asked me for they get because everything they've asked me for is reasonable right you know soccer clothes soccer cleats there's there's no none of that so we get married and in the beginning it's a little bit rough not too rough but for kind of figuring out each other's energy and uh
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Her mom comes around, and mind you, her husband, some people might call a loser, but he passed away a few weeks ago, maybe a month ago, because he was an alcoholic. He drank himself to death. So I guess John doesn't look too bad right now. But like I told you, I'm a prick at times because I say what it is. I think some people, they say, well, I just say what's on my mind.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But there's times to say things and there's times not to say things. You can say what's on your mind. But I'm here. I still don't drink. I don't smoke. I work out. I'm a decent person. I have a big business. I've raised my son since he was four and a half years old, and we're tight. We're tight, but good.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
The disease he has is debilitating, and he could walk, but at 11 he couldn't walk, and he's in a wheelchair, and he's been in a wheelchair since then. But for what he is and what he's in and how it is, it's good. He's good.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Just graduated high school. Big moment. Big moment. Because some kids that have his disease, they don't get to graduate high school. Right. You know? And he's healthy. So it's like levels, I guess, because some are very, very healthy and some pass away at 7, 9, 12, 14, in and out. I mean, I'm on a Facebook group, AT Kids, AT Parents. And every time...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Every time one of the kids from Ataxia Foundation pass away, you feel like it's yours, you know? It's like you feel like it's your kid in a way, or you feel like your kid's next, you know, or it's coming. I don't know the feeling. It's a lot of emotions, but the first emotion is it's like your family, you know? So, we just live our life. We do well. We have a couple rental properties.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Me and my wife are good. No big issues. The prison stuff's behind me. The prison mentality's behind me. There's probably like granules in there. But overall, it's a good life. And I'm fortunate in some ways. I don't know when you're going to cut this in, but I don't know if I'd have ever went to prison if I'd have had a dad in my life.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I think dads are important, very important, very vital to be in children's lives. Because sometimes you need a little kick in the ass from your dad, you know? And a little pat on the back from your mom, it's cool, but you also need a little kick in your ass. And I didn't have the kick in my ass.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I felt like I was handicapped in some ways at 20, 21, 24, when I was a supervisor, because I didn't have the skills From men. I had skills from women. Right. My mom and my aunt. Some from my dad, but at 14, I didn't see him much. I mean, I saw him five days, eight days a month, a year. Up until then, I saw him two and a half months a year. So, yeah, in the summer.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So I didn't have that, and I think it's important. And I wonder how my life would have been. I don't think I would have went to prison because I don't think I would have went down that road. I just didn't have a father figure in my life to become something or whatever. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's a very— broken peace from my life, and now I take care of my dad. So my dad has Alzheimer's.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
He was living in Georgia, which is where I'm going after this tomorrow, tonight. My brother and sister live there, and they sent him there about four years ago, and he was unable to take care of himself. He's not completely lost right now, but he can't take care of himself, there's no way. So he's been with me for two years.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Right. And you're nine. Is mom cutting her wrist tonight? Is she not? Is she going to talk to people that aren't there? Is she not? And I'm dealing with this, and that's where it kind of got, I don't know if it was just as bad as her cutting her wrist and taking her to the hospital to get stitches, or if it was just as bad as being nine, not knowing if she was going to do it or not.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
staying with me I take care of him now he's a little more than a little lost but I take care of him too so I take care of my dad I take care of my son my wife me my wife we we team up but I take care of my dad most I take care of my son most you know so yeah okay that's kind of the the story and it's good no it's good I saw you on Concrete, I think, is the first time I actually saw you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I don't think at the time I knew you had a podcast, but then I reached out to you six, eight months ago. See, because you're crafty too, right? Because you saw, this guy's got a podcast. He's probably doing well, blah, blah, blah. I could do that. I got personality. I got wit, charm, whatever. Game recognizes game. You know what I mean?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
But you knew. Yeah. It's just like when I was in prison. It took a while, but once I knew, I figured it out. And you'll probably be very successful because you'll figure it out more and more. Why? Because you're crafty.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a good show you have. I'm glad that I came. I'm glad we're able to get the story out. If you're in prison and you got kids, just grind, get out, grind, do what you gotta do. There is a snippet that you may wanna cut in somewhere. When I went to family court a few of the times that I went for Angel, while I was out in the room, broke my heart.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
When I was out in the waiting room to go to court, one of the attorneys for another kid comes, sits with the kid, and I'm hearing the conversation. And she tells her, you can't go home today. Your dad tested dirty. So we still got to keep you. And she just starts crying. And it broke my heart. Where some kids, they get stuck.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And I firmly believe that my opinion, through my experience, is the family courts want the children to go back with their parents. They don't not want them. I feel that. But the parents have to do the work to get them back, and they have to show that they can do the work. So I don't know if anyone out there is thinking, you know, I won't get them back.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
If you're in prison, you're thinking, I don't think. They will. They want the fathers in their life, especially now more so. I know it's always been that way, but now with more podcasts saying, hey, you need dads in the life, single parent families, it's more forefront now about fathers being in their life. So just do what's right, live your life right, get rid of the people, and you'll be good.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It'll turn out. It may not turn out when you want, how you want, exactly how you want, but eventually it's got to turn out right because you're not going to do anything wrong. And game will recognize game. When you show good work ethic, all of a sudden things are going to start lining up. You know, someone's going to hire you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Someone's going to, maybe your sister or brother has a job that they're doing and they're not going to, when you get out, they're not going to tell them to hire you. But after you've shown a year that you've worked somewhere and it's, hey, they're hiring at my company.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
your grandmother was next door yeah right yeah i mean she know what was going on yeah they all knew my mom has a twin sister uh rest in peace jackie who's my godmother uh they all knew everybody knew you know and we go to the hospital she gets stitched up um i mean i i don't remember all the days but i remember this specifically because it just stands out in a super bowl sunday the rams are playing the pittsburgh steelers um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So, yeah, I got cars. Before I go to prison, I got cars. I got money. I got girls. I got everything a man would want. But that's not what everyone, in what people believe, some people, my dad, oh, man, you're living the dream back then. But he didn't know what I was doing. But he saw I was successful. But I wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. The dream is to have a wife, to come home to a loving wife.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
It's good to be here.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
That's the dream. The dream is to have a good marriage and good family and good grandkids and children that want to come around you. That's the dream. The dream isn't 20 girls, threesomes, nice cars, casino nights, blowing money. That's not the dream. Right. So... I think that might be the story. That's it? I think so. It continues. It continues.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
And my goal is to make sure that my heritage goes on and that my grandkids never have to go without and that they'll always... have the opportunity to be successful. Whether they become successful or not is on them, but they'll have all the resources and the money that they need to become. They will not be handicapped because of money situations. I bought my daughter a house.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
My grandchildren will never have to move from their house. I bought that house. They pay the mortgage of $2,500 a month, but I furnished it, painted it, two-story swimming pool, 1,200-square-foot lot, grass, trees. They'll never have to move because I grinded for them. They won't have to be handicapped like any of us, my children and me. They got what they need.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
you know anytime I'm glad you took me this has been what 16 years ish 17 years since I've been out and I've been wanting to get this story out but with my son being young and you know now he knows everything about everything I didn't even know I was in prison till three weeks ago Really? He didn't know. He knew I was gone, but he didn't know I was in prison. But time, right? And hopefully a book.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I really would like a book to come out of it because there is other stuff in there as I ponder. But I'd really like a book to come out of this. And if there's another podcast, I probably won't travel to like I did here. But I'd like to get the story out to other folks.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
Good deal, man. Thank you. See you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
I'm thinking 79, somewhere in there, 80, 79, 78, somewhere in there when they play the Steelers. My mom cuts her wrist that night. So I got to go run to my cousin's house where my cousin's at, Kathy, rest in peace. She's like a sister to me. I got to run to her friend's house to tell her I got a problem. My mom's cut her wrist, you know, and my grandma probably wasn't home.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
So they had to take her to the hospital that day, but we probably...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Dealer Secrets Revealed: Power, Women & Redemption
No. They just stitch her up and say... Stitch her up, brought her home, and no one ever... came and said, where's this guy kids? What are they doing? Where are they at? Let's interview him. Let's talk to him. No, they never did.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I'm not going to let some girl I knew for three days ruin the rest of my life. Unless they plan on coming over here to Thailand and coming to my condo and holding me down on the ground and taking my DNA, it's never going to happen. They'll take all your money. This is insanity. This is extortion, is what it is. It's extortion by the state. America's supposed to be the freest country on the planet.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah. Listen, I've already gone through this with one kid before. Okay. When I was 17 years old, I got this girl pregnant. And then because I was 17, her parents didn't want me to have anything to do with the child. They wouldn't let me come see her. They wouldn't let me do anything. Because I was 17. I was on the street. I was getting high every day. You know what I mean?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Like I wasn't the most responsible human being on the planet. So I don't blame them. I'm not, you know, faulting them for that. But I just and then years later, they tried to hit me. They tried to do the same thing to me. They tried to listen everywhere I moved to. They were sending child support paperwork or you got to you got to pay child support. You got to come to court.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
You got to take a paternity test. She's 23 now. I dodged that bullet. That paperwork stopped fucking six or seven years ago when she turned 18. So it's just one of those things. It's just one of those things like, you know, be careful who you stick your penis into because it could ruin the rest of your life. Unfortunately. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Well, then I'd be fucked, buddy. I'd be proper fucked. They could suspend my driver's license. They could garnish my wages. They could take my passport. They could do... There's a lot of options that they have at their disposal that could completely ruin someone's life over child support. I think it's insane. I think the whole thing needs to be overhauled because... They completely ruin your life.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
They'll take all your money. Like I've seen people's checks before and after child support. I'm like, oh my God, this is insanity. This is extortion is what it is. It's extortion by the state. The state's taking your money. So what they're taking out of your check every month for child support doesn't go to her.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Like 60% of it goes to the state and they just take it and add it to their budget for whatever they're spending the money on. And then the little tiny bit goes to the woman who's actually getting support for the kid. It's a complete racket and it's extortion by the United States government.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And listen, you know, like I said, I watched my dad go through it my whole, his whole life. And it's like, America is supposed to be the freest country on the planet. That's what they scream. Freedom, freedom, freedom. But if you don't fill a piece of paper out correctly, they take your fucking freedom from you and lock you in a jail cell with murderers. What can, what is that?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Trying to find a picture to make sure you weren't me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
That's why I'm not there anymore, buddy. Okay. I'm not there anymore. That's why I left because you know what? People complain about it and they never do anything and they never leave. But guess what? I have the right to complain now because I actually did something about it and I left.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And by the way, Thailand has extradition. Thailand and the United States have had a great relationship for like 150 years. I just read a plaque the other day on the side of the highway. Outside the U.S. consulate said Thailand and the United States partners for over 150 years or whatever. So they do have extradition. It's not like I'm here fucking hiding from anything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Everybody's like, oh, you're hiding. You're on the run from the law. Bunch of retards, complete and total retards. If I was hiding from anything, they would just come over here and get me. I had to register this address with the Thai immigration, with the government. So the government knows exactly where I live. To even get a visa, I had to register this address.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I had to fill out something called a TM-30, which I had to register with the Thai government. So it's not like I'm here hiding from anything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I'm a digital nomad. That's exactly what I am, okay? I'm a travel vlogger, okay? And that's how I'm living my life now.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
One Night in Bangkok. Yeah, so the One Night in Bangkok podcast here, there's a gentleman by the name of Eric. He's from Boston. I think he's a little bit younger than me. He's in his mid to late 30s, might even be his late 20s. I don't know. Runs a really cool podcast here. I think the name is awesome, One Night in Bangkok. You cannot get a cooler name than that from a podcast here in Bangkok.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I think it's awesome.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
That's how I found the podcast.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Because I was like, dude, I want that. That's what I was going to name my podcast when I moved here. And then when I moved here, he's seen me on your podcast. And he was like, oh, I seen you on Matt's talking about he's seen the episode where I was talking about moving to Thailand. And once he figured out I was here, he was like, he hit me up and I went and did the podcast.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And, you know, I would like to think that me and him are pretty good friends now. You know, I whenever I need anything or advice, whatever, I hit him up and he invited me out on my birthday because he him and his co-hosts. Um, they run like a, they do like a pub crawl and, but it's not pubs. It's like rooftop bars and like, you know, nightclubs and shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And they had something worked out with each club or bar owner where they go where, you know, they go, okay, I'm going to bring 15 people here tonight. And then we're going to need a table and bottle service and, you know, um, no cover for all these people because we're going to come here.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Um, we're going to buy drinks, you know, all that, this, that, and the other just so happens one of their event nights fell on my birthday. So they invited me out and yeah, they invited me out and I went out and we did like four or five different clubs, a rooftop bar. And then they take me to this big giant club and they got sparklers coming out with bottle service for me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Just for me with a thing with the chicks holding up the happy birthday thing with the sparklers going off the top. And I got to wear a birthday sash that says happy birthday. Okay. And I got to dance on the stage with all the girls and it was fun. Like it's not my scene. You know what I mean? I stopped going to clubs and stuff when I was in my 20s. But I figured for my 40th, it would be fun.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Listen, ever since you went on Nanny's podcast and you said I've been running from child support, I've had a never-ending stream of absolute fucking weirdos coming on my YouTube channel and leaving crazy comments.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And it was. It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. I didn't make it home until like 5 in the morning.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I did, yeah. I did live. I did a live stream while I was at the club. And I got a bunch of video and stuff, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
It's not 30 hours.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
It's three flights, okay? You're going to have to fly from Tampa to Atlanta, and from the Atlanta to South Korea is 16 hours.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah, but if you get business class, they got beds and a big TV for you. You can lay down in bed and watch the big TV. I was stuck in coach next to an old Korean lady, that raw dog, a 16-hour flight. I don't know how she did it. No headphones. She didn't turn on her TV once. I didn't see her on her phone. She was like this with a blanket up to here for 16 hours. I couldn't believe it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I paid $700. No, from Tampa all the way, all the flight to $700?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Oh, I bought my, I bought my plane ticket the day I got my passport. So I got my passport in what? October.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
September, October.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
It was still warm. I was still like summertime. So yeah, I got my like, I, yeah. So September and I, I flew out in December. So.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Three months, three months in advance. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
To South Korea. And then once you get to South Korea, there's another flight from South Korea to Bangkok. And that flight's like five hours. Listen, once you've been on a plane for 16 hours, that five-hour flight ain't shit. And the 16-hour flight, you're sleeping. You're going to sleep for eight, nine hours of the flight. And they serve you meals. Okay? That comes with the flight.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Oh, you're running. I'm a scumbag. Fucking I'm a deadbeat dad. I'm running from child support. I need to face my problems. I need to come back to the US and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, listen, I want to clear something up immediately right now before we even get into this.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
They serve you three meals. Like every two hours they're waking you up and they're bringing you like a legitimate meal. Not like some fucking crackers and a little bottle of water. You know what I mean? Like these are legitimate like chicken and rice with like a soup and a side salad. Like it's a legitimate meal. And there's TVs. You can watch TV the entire time, watch movies.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
The seats are super comfortable. We've been on international flights before. These aren't like the little planes, the little domestic planes you get on. You know what I mean?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
It's not Spirit Airlines. I flew Korean Air.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I'm satisfied with exit row as long as I get the window seat.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
We can do an upgrade. I think there's a racket there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I think they book them online so nobody can book them. And then they jack up the price a little bit and make you pay like $100 for the seat when you're already on the plane. And you're already in that little seat. And you're like, fuck it, I'll just spend the money and get the seat. You know what I mean? It's a sales tactic, I think.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I have never been ordered by a judge to pay child support my entire life. I have never been in front of a judge and been ordered to pay child support. I have never taken a paternity test to prove that I'm the father to even get me in front of a judge to be ordered to pay child support. I'm not running from child support, technically. I'm not going to let them serve me any papers.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Is it like he just doesn't care or he just doesn't get it?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
But now, I guess, the person I talked to said he's trying to... I would think by the time you get to 10 million subs, you'd have that figured out that you need to put out longer-form content to make more money.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
he's not, he's not, he's not pressed about that YouTube check.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Oh, I had a meeting with her this morning. Oh, yeah. And she told me that she likes my story the best out of out of everybody she's interviewed. And then after the after we did it, because so I told I had to tell her my story and she recorded it. And then send that to like the people who make the decisions.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So I did like a condensed version and I hit all of the bullet points. And I was like, you know, if there's anything you want me to expand on or if there's anything, you know, you want me to elaborate on, expand on, just let me know. And then at the very end, I hit her with the sizzle reel. So I shot her, I shot her the sizzle after, and she's going to send that with my, my interview to whoever.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
That's what they scream, freedom, freedom, freedom. But if you don't fill a piece of paper out correctly, they take your freedom from you and lock you in a jail cell with murderers.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
But she says that, and listen, she says that they start recording, they start recording 28th of this month.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
We're casting for a certain show right now. Are you interested? And then they interview you. You tell your story. They take that recording. They send that off to production. And production makes the final decision on whether or not they want you to be part of the whatever they're filming. I have an offer right now. Obviously, I can't say anything because I signed an NDA.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I can't even say who it's for.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Listen, I'm not going to let some girl I knew for three days ruin the rest of my life, period. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen to me. I watched my father go through that his entire life. Listen, my dad's a good guy. Never broke the law, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't do drugs. He's not a scumbag. And he was always in jail for child support because of my mom.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
For the Discovery Channel. They flew me out to LA for that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
hustlers gamblers and crooks for hustlers gamblers and thieves or something like that yes and they're on their second i think this is their second second season i was gonna email her this morning because she said it was supposed to come out the episode was supposed to come out this month but i haven't gotten any emails or anything letting me know oh yeah brother when they're done with you they could care less they don't give a shit you'll catch you'll catch it on tv they didn't even tell me it was coming out no somebody will hit me up on the comments you're like bro i just watched your episode of whatever you know you're like oh is that out
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Jeff Turner, yep. And what's the guy with the cars? The kind of big dude with the beard. J.D.? What's his name?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah, yeah, yeah. J.D. went out and did it, so yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I asked her how she found me and she said it was through tick tock.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And I told you it was that 11 million view TikTok I got floating around on the internet. It's probably fucking 12, 13 million views by now, which is insane.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
12 million people have looked at this space.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Listen, I was talking to a girl on a dating app over here. And she's like, are you on TikTok? And she sent me a screenshot of one of those 11 million view TikTok, but it was all in Thai. And she's like, is this you? I'm like, yeah, that's me. Dude, it was so crazy. Yeah, yeah. So it's making its rounds over here too. And...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
The amount of times I get recognized here in Thailand is it's mind boggling. Like people stop me at the mall. They're like, hey, are you that Boziak fella from YouTube? And then I was sitting at a bar with my friend the other day and like you can sit like like right in like the streets right here. Like here's the top and you can look at everybody going by on the street.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And there's two guys walking by and one guy glanced at me and then he looked at the second time and I did like this at him. He was like, I was just watching one of your videos yesterday. So it's like I'm in the algorithm over here. Like people that are here in Thailand are watching my content, which is pretty cool.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
OK, I'm not going to live my life like that, period. They're not going to get one single penny out of me. I promise you that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fun. It's fun.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
No, he's from Belarus, but you can say he's a Russian. So we're still putting it together. I'm waiting on him. You know, I message back and forth with him all the time. Basically what it is, is we're trying to, because I have to fly down to Phuket. which is like, it's like an hour and a half flight from Bangkok South. It's in the South of Thailand. And then, you know, like I don't live there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So, and he wants this to be the English channel because he only does YouTube in Russian. He only speaks Russian. His English, he doesn't think his English is that good, but it is, but it's with a real thick Russian accent.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So he wants me to run. He wants me to lead the interviews because he wants to be he wants to interview English speaking carters, you know, criminals, scam artists, whatever. But what it is, is we want to get like a whole week's scheduled, like back to back to back to back to back. And then once we get all of the guests scheduled, I'll fly down. We'll get in the studio.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
We'll knock out all of the interviews and then I'll just fly back up here. So that's that's kind of what's going on right now. That's where we're at. We're just trying to get all of the interviews and everything scheduled.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I was contacted by a gentleman by the name of Zach. He said he contacted Colby. I don't know if he's talked to Colby or he's talked to you about setting up a Facebook thing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah. Somebody contacted me, and I don't have a Facebook page, so I just set up a Facebook page because it can't hurt anything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
It may be the same person that contacted me and wants to do mine.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
But they're not trying to get me for child support or paternity test or none of that shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Like they're not really doing anybody else's channel in my in my channel is kind of difficult because my contents all over the place.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
You know what I mean? Like I don't do, I don't just do interviews. I don't just do vlogging. I, sometimes I do the, you know, just the talking head stuff in front of the camera. Other times I'm running around all over the place, filming stuff. You know, other times I'm, I'm interviewing people, which I have a Patreon now. And I just do like, so I, I just interview people with my, my GoPro.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Like I'll have it on them and I'll ask them a question and they'll talk and then I'll spin it back around and I'll talk and then, and then I'll talk, I'll interview them. And that's how I've been conducting interviews for my Patreon now. You know, until I get like a legitimate podcast studio to actually film podcast videos with. That's what I have to do.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Oh, yeah. No, it's got high ceilings. It's got super high ceilings. So, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
It's wood floors here. There's no rugs or anything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Honestly, I can rent an office space here for about $100 a month, $120 a month for a nice space in an office building somewhere. It's so cheap here, man. You guys got to come check it out. You and Jess got to come for a week or something.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
When I met her, she had a two-year-old and a newborn. Then apparently she says I got her pregnant, which I don't believe. And then right after she had my kid, she had another one from somebody else she just met. So it's like a, what do they call that? A pick farm. She's just cranking them out. It's like a chicken farm. She's just laying eggs constantly. I'm sure she doesn't work a regular job.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
The one with the ones with six, the ones with Zach, the ones with, you know, the other one, those are the ones getting abused. Yeah. So I think it's time to kind of tweak it a little bit now and start going full on just scammers and, and what have you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah, I like Sidney. I don't even know the guy because I edited all those shorts and I edited the clips for him. I like that guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
He's a likable guy. He's just got some kind of aura about him. The way he speaks, he's just like, he's a big teddy bear. He's just a good guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah, he would probably be another good one to have back on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah. And for the next three days, all it is is that person. You're not going to watch the channel.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So rotate them, you know, rotate this person, that person, this person, that person. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah, well, I don't really – all I do is upload it, and then I don't really do anything with it. So I'm not answering the comments. I'm not – you know what I mean? So I think I should probably be answering comments, liking things, responding, because that shows YouTube that – The channel is active and somebody is interacting with the algorithm with the people who are interacting with the video.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Administrator, yeah. Page administrator.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
My channel's doing well, man. I'm almost at 16,000 subscribers. I'm gaining about 1,500 subscribers every month. Last month, I had 160,000 views on the channel. I do a live stream pretty much every other day. Every time I do a live stream, I get between 10,000 and 30,000 views on the live stream. And like 200 subscribers every time. People donate.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
My channel is starting to make, you know, I think it made like 500 bucks last month. I'm getting that check for like 500 bucks this month from YouTube. So that's the most money I've ever made from my YouTube channel, you know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Two months. Two months. That's all it took was two months. And so because before December, I didn't put any content up for a year.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I'm sure she's unemployed. So she goes to the state for benefits. And because the state's giving her benefits, they pursue whoever she says is the father with whatever extent of the law they can push it to. And that's what's happening to me right now.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So I really only been making videos since like December and here we are in February. And I got my Patreon, which is doing good. I got like 17 Patreon subscribers right now paying $10 each. I have my merch store that I just launched last week. Super professional Spotify. Great t-shirt designs. And I've already sold five or seven. I've already had like five or six sales for my t-shirts.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And oh, dig this. I found a place.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
talking about suing me like they're better than that those are way better yeah yeah i mean his are good i just figured it out i i watched a tutorial on uh on youtube on somebody with who had a merch store and they were showing this is how you design tees this is the resources this is the website you go to to download the free png um i forget what they're called it's like uh uh some kind of clip art and that's what i use as the main image for my for my um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
T-shirt design are these clip art, free clip art images. And then I just downloaded font packs from the internet. And then I just throw everything into Photoshop. I throw the clip art in and then I just play with the font. I can bend it. I can change the color. I can do a gradient on the font. I can add little splashes in the background. You know, whatever. And yeah, they're awesome.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
They're selling. The fucking T-shirts are actually selling. But dig this. there's a place right down the street from here, like a mall. It's called fortune town, which it's not really, it's, it's a mall, but it's more of like a, just like a business complex. And they like sell like electronics and other, but on the fourth floor, there's a place that does screen printing t-shirts.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So they do heat press and they do screen printing. I haven't made it. I haven't had to make any screens yet because I want to see which designs do the best. And then I'm going to pick the best one, like a top selling design. And then I'm going to go and I'm gonna have the screens made so that they can do the screen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
But like literally a hundred, 200 feet down from the, from the t-shirt place is the, is the, is the place where that mails everything out. It's almost like a UPS store, but they don't call them UPS stores here. Right. It's just like a random company name and they do like shipping. They do, they do domestic and they do global. So I literally, I send the guy the PNG file and the size shirt I want.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
He sends me a mock-up that like an hour later to show me exactly where he's going to put it on the shirt, where it's going to look like he makes the shirt. I show up, I pick the shirt up from him. I walked down a couple of stalls and I mail it out. So it's like, I got the whole, I got the whole, I got the whole like thing streamlined.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So I charge shipping. I do UPS international. So it's like, I don't know, like nine bucks or something like that. But when you go to shipping, when you go to checkout, you can pick which option of shipping you want. And then it calculates by your zip code and charges you shipping. So I don't even pay shipping. The customer pays shipping.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And for anything domestic here in Thailand, I ship it for free. I offer free shipping because I shipped a t-shirt the other day here in Thailand and it was like 22 baht to ship it, which is less than a dollar. It was like 80 cents to ship my t-shirt here in Thailand. So I don't even charge shipping here in Thailand. I only charge for international.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yes. Yep. Because, because she gave him my name and she's collecting welfare from, from the state. Yes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Oh, I forgot I made that. I haven't even put that out. Are you serious? I haven't even put it out because I didn't like the audio. I thought the audio, because I don't have a microphone, so I recorded the audio on the audio recorder on my iPhone. And then I just kind of made the slideshow and I added the audio.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And I tried to tweak the audio a little bit to make it sound better, but I haven't even put it out. I want to make a better one, but no, he can cut that in. Yeah, absolutely. Anything to get me some more sales.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And I'm, and I'm the deadbeat and I'm the deadbeat.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Not bad, right? Not bad. I just did that in my free time walking around here in the kitchen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
There's a few points. Well, I know because I recorded it, so I'm going to notice it and other people might not. But there was a few times where it spiked and it crackled and I couldn't fix it in post.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I couldn't. I tried to record it three times and I couldn't not laugh at that point.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
the laughing the laugh that's what makes it it's it's funny like it's perfect for you to say that because the days always come on my live for whatever reason when gay men are flipping through their live streams and they see me they have to stop and they have to tell me how how good i look and they have to ask me how many inches and all this other show it to us yeah yeah whip it out whip it out
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I bet Boziacs hung. Just stupid comments, dude. It's just like, what the hell? So, you know what? You guys love me? Buy my goddamn t-shirts and I got something for you and I got something for everybody.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah, so I put the big, and I just, it's the same design. I just shrunk it down and put it away. Because, you know, I always see the t-shirts with the little design here and nothing on the back. And I'm like, why not just put the fucking, the big design on the back and then have the little one on the front or put the big design on the front and have nothing on the back?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Since 2017, 2018. Um,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
All of those print on demand companies, dude, I don't, every time I've ever done a merch store for the print on demand companies, it was straight garbage. Like people get it and they would send me like, look, and this is not. So it's like, and that's why I like here because I can go, I seen, I can put my hands on the shirts. I can see their operation. I can see what printers are using.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And you know, so it was, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So I just had some shirts made, and they were the hot prints. And, dude, they're not that bad. Like, they are fucking, like, the quality of the image, it's really good. Now, I don't know how they're going to hold up after 100 washes and 100 dries. Yeah. You know what I mean? They might just look more broken in, but I mean, we've yet to reach that point.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
But I mean, as far as the initial product, when I get my hands on it, I'm like, oh my God. I was surprised. I didn't think they were going to be that nice. Because you know what I mean? I gave them the design for like a 300 DPI. So I gave them the right... You know, so the printers over there are really, really good. At least where I'm getting them done now.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I was, I was, when I went in, when I looked at the t-shirts, I was like, Oh, these are nice.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And then I went out to, I went to California in 2016. Me and my wife split in 2016. I met her in 2017. And then I knew her for five days, literally five days. And after the, after the fifth day, you know what she told me? She says, I like Josh better. I want to be with Josh, my friend.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Yeah. The bugs will get to them. Yeah. Yeah. And I was trying to figure that whole thing out over here. And luckily Thailand is like, especially Bangkok, there's so many little places like screen printers and t-shirt designs. And there's just, there's such an abundance of little places like that I can go to here. So.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I forgot about those. Those would be cool. I should get back into doing those and put them on my Shopify. Oh, also on my Shopify, I'm doing snack boxes. So like Korean snacks, snacks from Japan, Thailand snacks, you know, sodas and stuff that you can't get in the United States. I'm putting on packaging all those in boxes and selling those on my Shopify as well.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And I'm always constantly thinking of new products to get up on the Shopify. So yeah, hopefully over the next six to eight months, that'll prove profitable for me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I'm going to go to this little place here that prints stickers. And I'm going to have a bunch of stickers printed with my face and my YouTube logo. And I'm just going to send them out with the t-shirts.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
It's like an added bonus.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So, yeah. So they either put in their phone number or their email address when they fill out the form, when they're placing the order. And then when I ship, I just upload the tracking and it either sends them an email, letting them know that their order is shipped and here's the tracking or it sends them a text message.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Okay, so I said, all right. I let her go with my friend and be with him, and I moved to California, and I never talked to her again. And then all of a sudden, I got sheriffs showing up at the house in California trying to serve me paperwork for a fucking paternity test. And they've been trying to get me ever since. I wonder if...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And yeah, well also on, on my Shopify, I have a, like on the main page, like I have a landing page for my Shopify and right at the bottom of the page, I sign up for our, I have like a monthly, um, uh, you know, you can set up your, you can put in your email address so you can sign up for like deals and coupons, uh, and like new t-shirt releases will get sent to your email and all that stuff. So.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Nice. Yeah. I got it. I got it streamlined.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Very, very frugal adventure.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I'm just living my life over here in Thailand. I'm enjoying myself. The air pollution made me sick. Physically, yeah, it's bad. It didn't affect me for the first couple months I'm here, but it hit me pretty hard. I've been sick the past couple days. I thought I had the flu or COVID or something, but it's the PM. It's the air quality here.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
What do you have?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
It's the PM. It's the particles per million. It's the air pollution here. It's bad. It's like there's a fog all day long, but it's not fog. It's because they burn all the crops. up north every year, the farmers do it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And all of that smoke, yeah, for agriculture and all that smoke comes down into Bangkok and it mixes with like, plus, you know, the automobiles here and the industry and it's just, it's bad. Yeah. So yeah, I've literally been sick for the past couple days. Because I've been running around out in the pollution. I'm like, ah, this isn't affecting me. Ha ha, everybody's got masks on and shit. Dude.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So I'm wondering if she's had Josh sex with Josh while she, before, cause she was living with Josh when I met her.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I've been sick, dude, the past couple days. Like, fucked up. Like, sore throat. Like, just fucking sick. Today's like the first day I've actually felt kind of normal, so... That's the only downside to living here is the air pollution. And it's only certain times of the year. It's not all year.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
It's seasonal. It's when they burn the crops. It is what it is. It's a trade-off I'm willing to make.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Infinity pool on the roof, two-story gym on the 41st floor, a 24-hour concierge. I have an app where I can order maid service. I can order whatever I want to the room. Yeah, to my condo. It's nice. It's nice.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
For the first time in my life, I'm actually like really just waking up every day and like, man, I walk in the living room and I open those blinds and I see the city and I'm just like, man, what kind of life am I living right now, dude? You know? It's cool. It's nice, man. It's nice paying $3 for a meal that back home would cost me $27. You know what I mean?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Because I, he was, she's like his cousin or some shit. Yeah, exactly. Dude, it's all, where is this? Backwoods fucking Nebraska.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
It's nice being able to order an Uber and it costs $3.50 to ride, you know, 25 minutes on the back of a motorbike. You know what I mean? The city never sleeps. I can leave my house at 3 in the morning and there's places open where I can go to eat at a restaurant and I can go to a nightclub or I can do whatever I want to do.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Anything you could ever imagine, it's right here and it's at your fingertips and it's affordable. I don't want to oversell the place. Actually, this place is horrible. Don't even worry about it. Don't come here. We're full. There's enough people here already. Oh, man.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
If I paid that for an Uber here, I could get like an hour and a half car ride. I would be able to drive somewhere for like an hour and a half away for about $30. Because that's like a thousand baht, a thousand Thai baht, which is like, you don't ever get charged a thousand baht to go anywhere here, unless you're going like an hour away, hour and a half away.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And for a thousand baht, I can get one of those luxury vans with the big captain's chairs, with the leather seats and the TVs and everything, like a personal chauffeur. Yeah. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
You don't need much. You just need a few thousand dollars every month to really enjoy life over here. To really, really enjoy life.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So Nebraska in the middle of the cornfields.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
$1,000 a month, $2,000 a month, and $3,000 a month. I did three different budgets. I did what kind of apartment you could afford on every budget, what kind of food budget you could have for every budget for the month. You know. That video is doing pretty well, actually.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I don't know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
When I lived in the small town in Nebraska, I had the nicest car in the town. I had like four cars and they were nicer than anybody else that lived in the entire city. Okay, I had the nice house on the main strip. I had the nice house. I had the good job. So I'm probably the most responsible man she's ever come in contact with her entire life.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And so that's why she's just relentlessly pursuing me is because she knows that she might be able to squeeze me for a couple dollars here or there. So unless they plan on coming over here to Thailand and coming to my condo and you holding me down on the ground and taking my DNA, it's never going to happen. It's never going to happen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I mean, I can't, I mean, of course she just followed me today on Instagram this morning. She followed me on Instagram. So she, they know I'm in Thailand and there's no, they, they, there's nothing they can do about it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I wouldn't answer her phone calls. I told her to piss off. And she sent the sheriff to the house to do a wellness check.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
They're relentless.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
So the sheriff showed up to the house where I was living in California and right outside of San Francisco. And why? Because I was so I was living in a house where there's an older gentleman who owned the who owned the who owned the house. But he was he was always at work. So there was a couple of guys in the house. And I told one of the guys to go downstairs, answer the door.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
And if the cops are asking for me, just tell them I don't live here. So he went downstairs and sure enough, they were asking for me. And he's like, no, he doesn't live here anymore. The next day I moved to L.A. Right. The very next day I moved to LA and I lived in LA. And then when the pandemic hit in 2020, this was 2019, when 2020, when the pandemic hit, they weren't serving shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Like nobody was coming to, you know, give me anything at the door, no process servers or nothing like that. So after I moved from California to Phoenix, my cousin that I was living with told me that process servers were coming by the house trying to serve me paperwork. And then when I moved to Phoenix, I was a ghost.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I didn't register my driver's license, address, none of that out there when I was out there for that very reason. And I went and lived in an office space that I was using. I wasn't supposed to live there. I was using it. I rented like an office to build like a podcast studio. Right. And I just I had like a futon. I was just sleeping on the futon. I had a little mini fridge and a microwave. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
I used to go to the gym. I used to go to the gym every morning and shower and fucking I had it going on in Phoenix. But then when I moved to when I came to stay with you, I moved from Phoenix.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
Then I went – I go – He should have told him Thailand, but okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
The girl followed me this morning on Instagram. The link is in my bio to my YouTube channel.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
They know where I'm at now, so they can piss off. Because what's the state of Nebraska going to extradite me from fucking Thailand for a paternity test? Get the... Come on. Listen, if something like that were to happen, listen, they would play hell with me. I would be the most unruly person they have ever dealt with their entire life. I guarantee you that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
International Fugitive Explains Why The Cops Can't Catch Him | John Boseak
They would have me in one of those Hannibal Lecter masks and strapped into a chair, wheeling me into the courtroom. I guarantee you that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They can't even put a warrant out for my arrest. This is civil. They're trying to serve me paperwork. They can't put a warrant out for my arrest. I'm not going to jail. I haven't broken any laws.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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There's an alien interview film about to be released. This did slip away from a government facility. I know this film is real. I have the military paper that had me assigned to Area 51. We have Kraft and Beans there. I got it all. Names, dates, photos, videos. One thing I would like to say, please don't cut this out. I just want you to know that today we're going to be poking the hornet's nest.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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In between that, I contact a very mysterious and controversial figure in ufology, a former counterintelligence agent with the United States Air Force Office of Special Investigations. His name is Rick Doty. People in ufology, of course, you know, know him. And a lot of people have a knee-jerk reaction to him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But he's the only person in the world that says, I have the DD-214, the military paper that had me assigned to Area 51. And I told him about this. My wife contacted him on Facebook. I called him. He's like, you're on a very interesting endeavor. And, you know, kind of feeling me out if I was a goof, you What I was going to do. And again, I could see this was a pattern with intelligence people.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They just don't give you reveal everything at once. They feel you out. They don't want to give you a crack. Yeah. And it was interesting. Here's this counterintelligence agent that's supposed to give you all the bullshit, whether tell you it's real, real, real. It's fake, fake, fake or, you know. And he tells me, I don't know much about that film. But one thing I do know, it's real.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I'm like, you're sure? He goes, I'm a thousand percent sure. He goes, and that's probably one of the only films out there on the internet right now that does show and depict an actual extraterrestrial. I said, do you know who Victor is? I don't know who Victor is. Do you know about S4? He said, yeah, I know S4, but that wasn't the facility that that film was shot. I'm like, excuse me?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He said, John, there's a ground floor building south of Papoose Lake or south of Area 51. It's called S2, the S2, S2 Alpha, Site 2, S2 Annex. It's the ground floor building, and that sits above this underground labyrinth of biocontainment facilities, research facilities, biological labs, and whatnot. And he said, that's where the AHC is. I'm like, what's the age?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He goes, well, that's the alien housing complex. And I'm doing, okay, okay, Mr. Counterintelligence agent, the alien housing complex. He said, look, I'll tell you, I've never been down to levels of three, two, three, and four, but I was stationed above ground. I was the counterintelligence agent. I had to be briefed. And what was going on in that facility. So I knew. Without seeing in person.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The cabal sits on it for five years. Victor in 1996 starts making the rounds in Los Angeles to try and get a network to release this. And he eventually ends up. at Rocket Pictures, a second-tier video production company. They agree to keep his name, his anonymity. They agree on a payment. He does not want to come on camera, but they say that's part of the deal.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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What was going on in that facility. And that was the housing center. For the alien interrogation and retention. They would retain these beings. And they would telepathically interrogate them. He went on after months to tell me. Some of the beings had to live in like these bizarre. Hyperbaric chambers. One being could only breathe methane gas. So they had to outfit a chamber. With only in methane.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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One being. They had to put in almost like a biosphere. And my creature, the alien they show on my videotape, was in distress. And Victor says it was developing microbial bacteria in its respiratory system. Even though they kind of had a defense mechanism for that, they were still receptive to our microbial bacteria. And that being was very sick. And even that being...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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had to have like bariatric chamber treatment. So a very weird, bizarre complex and a very weird story that was playing out that was not refudiating Victor's testimony but was bearing truth to what Bob Lazar said and Victor. And let me just jump back real quickly. A security guard who claimed to be an assassin for the CIA said during his cooling off periods between assassinations,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He was stationed at S4. So were other workers for the CIA that did contract work for the CIA that were in the military. They were stationed below at this facility in their cooling off periods. And he said, yes, there was dead aliens there. There were live aliens there, I heard. And again... A liar would be like, I saw the beans. I worked with the beans.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He goes, I was never allowed in level three and four. I never saw a live alien, but I saw the dead ones in six biofluid containment chambers, but I never saw a live one. So I'm just saying, if you're to lie, if you're to hoax this... If you're a counterintelligence agent trying to bullshit this car dealer from Chicago, me, you would tell him crazy stories.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I find it funny that all of these people are telling me stories that are not hyperbolic. I saw the aliens. I worked with them or whatnot. Even Victor says... I was not stationed there, but I had a reason to be at that underground facility at times. I wouldn't say that if I was hoaxing. I would be like, I was the scientist. I touched the bodies.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Just bizarre stuff that this coincidence of—and I can't think of a good word, Matthew, but it's almost like this firewall with these people where— I thought the stories were accurate because they weren't going the full Monty of, oh, yes, I was around these beings and whatnot.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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are compartmentalized you did your homework i'm impressed yes even bob lazar says i worked on propulsion but propulsion for this craft only there was other people that worked on avionics maybe or or some some other part or some other uh or uh flight controls or life support of this craft and And Bob Lazar said, we weren't allowed to even talk to each other.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And in 1997, on an upstart network, on a brand-new show called Strange Universe that was sorely underfunded, this comes out as a one-hour special documentary, The Alien Interview, and that is where I see it for the first time. But I was sitting in my litter room going, what am I watching here? This gray alien is tan. The medics are not in pressurized suits.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Exactly. We even have a biologist that's a large biologist who says, yeah, I worked on tissue, but somebody else would work on the reproductive. If there was reproductive, somebody else would work on the respiratory and We weren't allowed to talk.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Even Victor gives a bizarre, even Bob Lazar and Victor both give a bizarre, a little antidote where the propulsion said at this lunch table, you know, avionics said at this table, metallurgy said at that table. didn't communicate with each other.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And Bob Lazar said it was that lack of imagination, that lack of communication that was the Achilles heel of this program where scientists should be collaborating and talking with each other. And Victor and Bob Lazar and many other people that I've talked to in this program say the same exact repetitive story. There was very normal average intelligence at the top of this program.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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We weren't allowed to talk to each other, and that's where we could have solved things by communicating. We were never allowed to. Highly, highly compartmentalized.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay, Bob Lazar is a man. Colby doesn't know, by the way. Yeah, okay. This is very interesting. Although he has a sketchy background, because I believe he was sheep-dipped, and he's had a sketchy background.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay, sheep-dipped is the military intelligence term of publicly removing any of your bio that might directly relate back to what you did in covert projects.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So Matthew Cox says, I was a biologist, and I went to Harvard, and I was an expert in microbiology, and I was down in this facility examining aliens. They would do their best to have Harvard wipe out your degree and your education or try and make it very difficult for you to prove that you went to Harvard to discredit you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You got it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You got it. To make you look incompetent.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And so Bob Lazar comes forward to KALS TV and George Knapp, a reporter who's a famous ufologist now or reporting on this phenomenon. And he says, look, I worked at this facility. He mentions for the first time Area 51. The facility was called S4. And I worked on reverse propulsion. Everybody's, you know, just exploded, exploded the TV networks and all over the country and in Asia and whatnot.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And his story has never changed in 30 years. He claimed to be working on an element called 115, which was the element that the beings use for their antigravitics or their zero-point energy device. And he...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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highly you know very intelligent person but he claimed again so people like well he claimed out for fame and fortune now we find out he came out because the people at this facility stopped contacting him to come out and go and work at the facility he would get a call be at las vegas airport at 11 p.m you're going you're going to go to the facility they stopped calling him and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He thinks that they're going to whack him, that they're going to assassinate him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Because he was talking to John Lear, that pilot that came out in 1986. Come to find out was Bob Lazar's wife was having an affair, and they figured he was compromised. Now, Bob Lazar was compromised. The wife's having an affair because they tapped his phones, but they couldn't tell him that they tapped his phones and that his wife was having an affair.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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If you and I were hoaxing a video, we would have had those medics in pressurized suits. And really, there's two army generals in the foreground. Their shoulders are getting into the shot. It looked really, really bad. Or it looked like just a run-of-the-mill casual taping of an alien, of an extraterrestrial being interviewed.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So it was a convoluted—so I think it's important to know that. The first time someone comes out and really talks about S4 and working there, it's because he's afraid of getting killed, not because he wants $1,000 or a Corvette or whatnot. So that's the Bob Lazar story. And in 30 years, his story has not changed. He worked on advanced propulsion or reverse engineering of alien propulsion.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He tells a weird anecdotal story that I have backed up with four other people. how the craft, even though they're not manned sitting in these hangars out at this S2 annex, S2, this S4 facility, some of them give off this electrostatic discharge where that security guard, the assassin said he would put Vaseline on his arms to keep the hair from rising up when he was guarding these crafts.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That is just two of a weird, minute, bizarre, anecdotal story that I I've heard four times now that makes me think that Bob Lazar was there. And then the bombshell, I have a group of people that have the logbook, the entry logbook into Area 51. And they said Bob Lazar's name is on that logbook from 1988 to 1990. He was there for about 92 days, allowed entry.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And they have his name on this entry logbook, officially placing there. But you're right. Was he just doing electronic repair? A janitor? We'll never know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Nothing. They don't respond at all? And here's another bizarre coincidence. The same man that Victor claims got him into this facility is the same man Bob Lazar claims got him into this facility. Under desperation to try and figure out the propulsion and everything about the makeup of these non-human craft.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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A man named Dr. Teller, the inventor or one of the inventors of the atomic Manhattan Project, the invention of the atomic bomb, was so desperate that he let Bob Lazar go into this facility trying to get like an outsider's opinion, which is very smart. You're a businessman, you know. Let me get some out. We call it putting somebody else's eyes on our problem or situation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And Victor says the man that got him down into S4 was Dr. Teller. So we have a coincidental... Man, that has tangentially related to two whistleblowers. Just another coincidence.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I believe so.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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On my birthday.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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On your birthday. That's shocking. Now, I'm a public figure. I ran for office. I was a professional wrestler. It's not easy, but you can find my birthday. On my birthday, I get an email in the memo. It says, from the horse's mouth. And I want to be very specific here. And I've been doing a good job being specific here. So, because people demand that in the UFO community. Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I thought it could have been a hoax, but there were so many things, especially Victor the whistleblower, who talked so scientifically, that it sat in the back of my mind like something's not right with this film. I'm not saying it's authentic. Something, I'm a smart individual. I'm cagey. I'm street smart.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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My main leaker that was emailing me for nine months sent me a forwarded email to him from a person in the DIA. Who's the DIA? Allegedly, and Rick Doty backs this up, this is the government agency, the defense intelligence agency that runs the umbrella that is the entire government. alien retention and interview in a reverse engineering program.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's called Project Aquarius, and it is the umbrella program for all contact with extraterrestrials and Homo sapiens sapiens. And the DIA runs this in conjunction with other agencies and other military, like the Navy, the Army, Air Force agencies, Institute of pathology which no one ever talks about in ufology the the Department of Energy and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So, and my leaker's in his 70s, so he's not a computer expert. So he mistakenly includes the person from the DIA's email in his email to me. And the email is what's called an unauthorized viewing. That's what they called the theft of this film. You and I would have said the theft of the alien interview. No. No. The D.A.A. called it an unauthorized viewing in very simple.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It was a his friend at the D.A.A. telling him, here's the date of this film. Here's what type of being it was. H.A.P.L.O.I. H.A.P.L.O.I. It was a CBE clone biological entity, extraterrestrial entity. The filming date was April 22nd, 1991 at 315 in the afternoon. This segment was being filmed for the Department of Naval Intelligence, DNI. And I still get like weirdness because my hand was shaking.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I looked down and there are names of military men. These were the men that were in the viewing gallery at the time of this interview. And it started mentioning doctors, vice admirals, captains of army and navy intelligence. And it said Carthusian monks. I'm like, you know, I was in a McDonald's outside of Gary, Indiana, at a rest stop off the highway. My hand was shaking. Like, I'm getting names.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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There's like a realness to this video. And I went on the Internet just in a cursory search and started putting in these men's names. And I'm getting Wikipedia bio photos of these military men that I've never heard of, but they're all part of military intelligence to some degree. I look up Carthusian monk, and it's a monastery in Mount Equinox, Vermont.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I'm like, you know, okay, just, you know, let me go home. And so for four months, I started researching all these men on the list. I find out that all of them were dead except one. And I started emailing him. And he started emailing me back. His name was Vice Admiral William Jacoby. But on the—now, I want Matthew Cox's, like, you know, yay or nay here.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And my street smarts were being, they were being poked like something's not right with this film. This sticks in my brain until 1999. I run for Congress. And I drop out, and I endorse the man called Mark Kirk, who later became the congressman and one-term senator for Illinois. He was in Naval Intelligence before he became a congressional aide. So we're on the bus, and I said, Mark, what is DNI?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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On the report from 91, it said Captain William Jacoby. Now, I'm sorry, Captain Lowell Jackalby. So I said, wait a minute, I'm on Wikipedia. He's a vice admiral. This is a hoax. My investigator goes, dude.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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There you go. Thank you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. So I'm saying to myself, as a 75-year-old man who I Googled my leaker, he's a prominent philanthropist, member of a metropolitan city society. If you Googled his name, the main leaker, which I will never reveal, you'd see him and his wife on the red carpet somewhere in a metropolitan city. This guy is going to think of to put the ranks in 91.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So I start emailing this vice admiral. I'm a documentarian, which I wasn't at the time. so on and so forth. We're like Internet buddies. I'm just going to go to Virginia and ask this guy to play golf. He finally says, look, you contacted me for a reason. What do you have? What do you want to ask me? And I sent him the list, not knowing this guy was also a former DIA director.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So I sent him the inter-office memorandum, the investigation of this film, and he ghosted me. And I think in 2022 when that happened and when you go somebody electronically, that speaks volumes. He didn't say, you're freaking crazy. You're nuts. Where did you get this? Aliens. Are you insane? Go to a psych ward. He just said nothing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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People in the military have told me that when an honorable military person does not want to lie to you, they just won't talk to you. They won't say anything. They won't answer anything. So I thought that was really bizarre.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I know he did.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I know he did. So I go back. I'm good. You are. And this is why I flew here. Because you get it. And I love that about you. Rick Doty, months later, says, you know, I don't want to scare you. And I don't want to alarm you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He goes, I'm having a conversation with a friend of mine in DIA. Totally unrelated. This guy starts turning the conversation towards, you know, there's a lot of stuff out there. We're starting to get a bunch of FOIAs about Papoose Dry Lake. That's like the code name of because that's where the alien complex allegedly resides. And Rick Doty goes, well, that's interesting.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I know a guy that's investigating it. And Rick Doty, this is Rick Doty telling me. And I said, do you guys know a Jon Stewart? And Rick said, this guy went, ho. And I'm sorry, I'm loud. Ho, ho. You're goddamn right we know who Jon Stewart is. He goes, that guy has sent up trip flares at DIA. And Rick said he went like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's contacted me and kind of just fluffed it off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And Rick said, I just want you to be. Very careful what you're doing. Don't thumb your nose in anybody's face. You know, just tread very carefully. Because I was sending FOIA requests to the DIA. Do you have any information on this coded document? What's S2 Alpha? S2 Alpha was never in the ufology nomenclature. I was the first person with Rick Doty to bring this to the surface.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So, yeah, the DIA must have shit on themselves when they saw that in a federal FOIA request, Federal Freedom of Information request. Yeah, Freedom of Information request.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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This is the little three-letter abbreviation on the bottom of that film. I said, is the Department of Naval Intelligence real? And he gasped, and he went, uh. Oh, the DNI. And he kind of faded in reflection. I'm like, wait a minute. This guy just coughed on himself about three letters on an alleged hoax film.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I almost choked on my water. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right. Exactly. Why? I was told why the government never prosecuted all these three or four men about this film theft. Prosecute them. You're going to bring this in court with discovery? I thought this is a fake alien interview. Why are you prosecuting somebody for the theft of it?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, I mean, they could have.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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A clandestine leaker, anonymous, says, FOIA this, this code of a document. Okay. I'm FOIAing and twalling the DIA so much, I'm friends with them. The head of the government disclosure for the FOIA, her name is Cheryl, she's the head She calls me, oh, the alien guy. I'm like, sure, you're going to talk about me at Thanksgiving dinner, all my craziness? She's like, oh, Mr. Stewart, no, no.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, we got that document, blah, blah, blah. It's about a month. I call up. The guy's name is Andrew at the FOIA desk. I said, where is my FOIA response? He said, give me your name. I give him my name. He goes, this is really weird. Folks, listen to me here. This is a government agent. This is really weird. Andrew, what's weird?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I hope you're prepared. The serendipity, the bizarre cosmic coincidences for the past five years in my life and with this video, I think even a person that isn't religious or spiritual would say, this guy, there's some cosmic divineness going, there's some cosmic... energy going on here where just things have just been one after another falling into place.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Well, your name is here, but there's no file attached. I said, what's weird about that? Happy-go-lucky guy, helpful, first name Andrew, nice guy. I want to make sure I mention that. He said, you can't get on this file. You can't get on the FOIA system here without having a file attached. And I do the, and? He goes, well, somebody had to come on here and remove it, but left your name.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He goes, this is really weird. Not thinking what he's getting himself into. He said, I'll call you back. I wait. Hour, hour and a half, he calls me back. Yeah, this is Andrew. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to get an email from Cheryl Robinson or Cheryl Davidson soon. And, you know, and yeah, we found it. Real curt, real short tempered, short, you know, like not friendly anymore.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like somebody must have read. What did you tell this guy? You told this guy this never happened before at DIA. So I get an email. And in the middle of the email is because of the nature, the unusual nature of your request, the Defense Intelligence Agency will have to conduct interdepartment meetings. It said cross-reference investigations with other agencies in an effort to satisfy your request.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Now you're going to start having about this. But this is all fake. The alien program is fake. Why are you telling me you might have to have inter-office, inter-department meetings about a coded document that's supposed to be fake?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And that's when I said, some point in my life, I'm going to find out about this film if somebody doesn't already come forward to tell me about it. And I was semi-retired. It's 2019. And for some reason, Matthew... I was in my car. This film was on my brain, which happened a lot. And I said, I'm going to find something about this film.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like you said, if there's nothing to it, why are you sending back this FOIA that says, oh, we're going to have to start talking to other people in the Pentagon and whatnot? I just thought that was extremely bizarre. It's scary.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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For the second time, my emails disappear. My wife's like, you're doing three things. My wife, nicest, coolest wife on the planet, very non-hyperbolic, not nervous. She's like, that's it. This is crazy. You're going to the police department. You're going to file a report. You better file one with the FBI so you have this recorded.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And you and Matt, my lawyer, are going to send emails to all these crazy agencies. You're done. My wife's like, I'm not saying stop investigating, but your FOIA requests, my wife's like, you're done. So my lawyer and myself crafted an email to the NSA, the DOD, who I was told was investigating me, or I was on a special watch list, which I've been told is completely constitutionally illegal.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The DOD, the NSA, the DIA, And the Department of Navy, I sent emails that my name is Jon Stewart. Here's my boom. I'm done. I'm not investigating. I will no longer FOIA anything. And to the NSA, who I believe, and I will tell you this, entrapped my phone.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I am dropping my appeals to the NSA of their electronic encouragement on my phone because I got an email from somebody that said, we believe, we believe that your phone has had a counterintelligence spyware bug placed on it called Stingray Centipede. They have to get a court order from a judge to put this on your phone. But it's not for you doing something illegal.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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99% of the time, it's a counterintelligence operation to see what you know, who is telling you what you know. To think that this is that might be real. And somebody went to a judge in my it. I mean, my wife was officially like freaking freaked out. But once I sent all those emails and said, I'm done, suddenly my iPhone kept working.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And and I want to just tell your viewers, because you deserve this from me and your listeners and viewers. I went to Apple Corporation. because I have an iPhone, they did a forensic audit of my phone while I watched them go into my phone. It looked like something from the Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the director of that department, the forensic audit department, told the young lady that was helping me, her name was Arsh, And I have the case number. I heard him. Tell him we have no idea who could have taken his emails, why they disappeared off of four platforms on my iPhone, AOL, Gmail, my dad's AOL, and iCloud were all gone. Not just AOL. And we are sorry we can't help him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm going to prove something fake about this film so I can move on with my life and put this out of my head. And I investigated that bizarre monitor, the blip, the green blip that goes up and down and not across. I talked to three Ph.D. fellows who were doing the history of
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the fact of his blurry text, my text screen with my wife went blurry where I could only see the bottom text of hers. We have never seen a text message screen go blurry since we've been conducting forensic audits. Tell Mr. Stewart we're sorry. He was telling her, Mr. Stewart, this is okay. Did you hear that? We are so sorry. We don't know why. I go to a computer guy in Chicago.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I call him my Russian hacker. and I'll finish here, about the incursion in my life. He said, buddy, there's only two Gs that could have taken those emails off your iPhone. I said, two Gs? He's like, God in the government. And he goes, you know, God's probably not interested in what's on your iPhone. I'm like, are you serious? He goes, count on it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the fact that I've got a guy telling me what the program was called, the counterintelligence program. I've got Apple telling me, we can't help you. We don't know how this happened. The weirdness of the FOIAs, Rick Doty being told, oh, this guy sent up trip flares. Why?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm a retired, used automobile dealer, bust-out pro wrestler, failed politician who's investigating an alleged hoaxed alien video. Why would that person send off all of these rumors? these trip flares, so to speak, all of this consternation, getting court orders on my phone. Why? You can't tell me my emails disappeared because of the Holy Spirit. I'm sorry.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You can't tell me the weirdness at the DIA. Why? I thought the video was a hoax. I thought all the information about the video was a hoax. Why is this happening? Again, I'm still telling people, I don't know if this film is real, but no one, you, your friends, viewers, no one can explain why that happened to me. If it wasn't, if it was fake.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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physiological monitors i talked to space labs who made monitors for nasa i talked to hewlett packard that were making monitors in the early 90s when this film was was done all of them shrugged their shoulders and said we have no idea the man at space lab says i think you're looking at a one-off i said what's a one-off he said that's a device made for one particular person purpose it's not made in a series it's just there's one of them one off
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, well, that was in 2017, but you're hitting the cord. All of a sudden, and by the way, I flew to Washington, D.C. during all this and handed my investigation with photos.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. Okay, well... So, a couple of months after I'm in Washington, D.C., going to congressional offices, handing over this investigation pack, code names, project facilities, dates, the photos of the alien, who the doctor was on the alien's right, our left. I mean, just hyperbolic stuff. All of a sudden, David Grush, the Air Force colonel, comes forward to Congress to say...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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We have craft in custody, non-human craft, and we have, we call it biologics because he was too afraid to say alien beings. We had craft in custody and biological beings in custody, completely backing up what I was saying, not about the film, but that there, like Dodie said, there is this program going.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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South of Area 51 for the retention, the interrogation, and the reverse examination of biologics and metal and craft.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, he would only say that, and it's called a SCIF, a secured room.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So I went to the New York Times and said, I've got it all. I've got the names. David Grush. They don't want to touch it. It's still too scary, too hyperbolic, too weird, too bizarre. I go to sell this to Hollywood to get more money to investigate it. I had nowhere to go. Hollywood's like, I'm going to forget this. Top network officials are going to my agent and a producer that was helping me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Wait a minute. He says the film is real? He thinks he has proof it's real? No. No, no, no, no, no, no. No. Too weird. Too bizarre. I find it funny. One executive said, we want to have our people stay on the channel and watch and get that market share. We don't want to scare the crap out of them so they run down to the basement and hide for three years. Remember that statement.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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This is too bizarre. And he's got proof. He thinks that this alien film is real. Three network executives said, pass, pass. So the producer's like, if I can do anything to help you, I will, but we're just dead in the water. And remember, I was out to find who Victor was, 30 years looking for this Victor, 27 years actually.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And somebody emails me, and by the way, during all this, a college kid figured out the code name of a facility in Bermuda in the 50s and early 60s that housed live extraterrestrials. It's a whole other story. And really interesting what was happening. Somebody emails me and says, hey, hey, hey.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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victor's darkened face on the documentary in 97 somebody highlighted it lightened it it's on reddit like oh my god i go to reddit and i see victor he looks like the southern wrestler from the 80s arn anderson i don't know if you ever heard of him but i'm like what oh my god i've got a picture Now, I have a sudden moment of brilliance.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Why don't I go to the director of the two Victor documentaries, the one in 97 and the one where he came back? Maybe he'll tell me who Victor's name is. This is great. I can end this. Because if Victor, they told me, Matt, everyone in Hollywood, everyone in the government, find Victor. If you find he's an actor with central casting, it's a hoax.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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If you find this guy has any tentacles with the government, oh, shit. Now we got a whole other investigation. Very, very poignant. So I got the picture. Now I go to the director. He's like, I'm not going to tell you this for free. I don't blame him. I signed a contract with him and pay him. And I'm admitting that. And I paid him. Give me the first name.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And he says, he told me his name was Stanton, but to never call him Stan. Now, I want to tickle your street smarts. What does that basically tell you what his name was?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And he goes, and I think that's what you're looking at there. And I said, wait a minute. This cheap production company on a cheap upstart network with no money has made a monitor that no one knows what the hell we're looking at. And we've got three letters on the bottom of this film that just made a congressman who was in naval intelligence choke on his words.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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stan yeah don't call me by my real name so i'm thinking stan stanton uh folks for nine months i researched the obituaries because victor said he was dying in 08 i can't find anything but i've got stan and this bearded guy that looks like the pro wrestler So I got a name, and I got a face. So I contact Chris Todd. He claims, and rightly so, he solved OJ, JonBenet Ramsey, Natalie Wood.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Whether or not he completed that, this guy is a bulldog. I mean, he's just a great investigator. His investigation techniques are awesome. I mean, he's Jon Stewart. What I did, knocking on doors, stalking people, taking them out for coffee, or tell me what you know. I said, Chris, what would you do if you were me? And he's like, that's interesting.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He came back in 08, goading, that's my term, challenging people to prove it's a hoax. He's mad at ufologists for saying it's real, prima facie. He's like, don't tell me it's real when you've never investigated that. Would a hoaxer do that? And so Chris Todd is like, I don't think this is a hoax. You would not challenge people to bust you, to find out your bio.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And Chris said, and he's always, you know, we know he was paid for both times. Chris said, this guy's about money and ego, hubris. He wanted to come out. He wants people to find him. He goes, I don't think this guy's dead. I think this guy is still out there, maybe on a fringe UFO group, a fringe scientific group. I think this guy is still out there somewhere hiding in public. Oh, boy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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If a prophetic word has never been said to me in five years, it's three in the morning. I've got YouTube on autoplay. And one thing I would like to say, please don't cut this out.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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If it wasn't for the internet, now there's been people on the internet that have been horribly cruel to me, but if it wasn't for the majority of kind people, other investigators on the internet, I would not be sitting here today telling you I found Victor and I think I've proven what this whole thing is all about because they have been so helpful to me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And that includes the creation of the internet and things like YouTube, which helped me tremendously, looking at all these UFO docs. Three in the morning, I've got YouTube on autoplay. I just happened to wake up out of a deep sleep, and this crazy, bizarre, old documentary is on, Cosmic Conspiracy, from like 1983.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, that's when I said something's not right. I still think it's fake, but I'm going to put the pedal to the metal and investigate it, and that's what I did in January of 19.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I look up, and a guy has got his back opening a motel room door to let in two ufologists, Bill Moore and Stanton Friedman, to interview them for the documentary. They're showing this. He closes the motel door. This is like a movie. He turns around. There is Victor, the beard, the three-piece suit, the glasses, the hair that dips down on his forehead. Colby will show the picture.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I'm like, holy shit, I found Victor. I'm waking up my wife. I don't know the name of him. So I fast forward to the credits. Victor, I will tell you and your viewers, after 27 years, Victor is a former disgraced Air Force cadet, a self-taught scientist, a former informant with the FBI. He was an expert in propulsion. And he claims Dr. Edward Teller got him down to this facility.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Victor is the old ufologist. His name is Stan Dale. And he's not an actor. He's not a Hollywood guy. You know, scientist, former FBI informant, old-time ufologist. And I contacted him. And I...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, it was a great story. I tell people, this was like going—I felt like Clarice Starling in Silence of the Lambs walking down the hall to encounter Hannibal Lecter. So he answers the phone, hello, Jon Stewart. And I'm like, how did you know it was me? He's like, well, it's called caller ID, and he starts laughing. Very— Very congenial. I said, Mr. Dale, I found you. He's like, found what?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm like, sir, I know you're Victor. I'm like, Mr. Dale, can we dispense the bullshit? I know you're Victor. And for 10 minutes, I am like the interrogator in a police room going... In the 08 documentary, he talks about the sun bathing the earth with solar radiation to cause an extinction-level event. That's on his website, The End of the World, Esthetology Caused by Solar Flares.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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1997, it came out on the UPN network, which was an upstart network, and that's one of the hallmarks of this entire investigation was the lack of money. Follow the money. I did follow the money. The lack of money. Upstart UPN network. I don't even know if it's still around. I think it's maybe called the... I don't even know if it's still around.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Other articles about solar flares, The End of the World. He talks about the Hopi prophecy in the Mayan calendar. That's on his website. He says in a bio that Dr. Teller, he was friends with Dr. Teller. That's how he got him down to S4. The same thing with the same story as Bob Lazar. He was in propulsion.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He knew Bill Moore, who was fluent in French, was a crony of his, and he spoke French in the 08 documentary. Victor did. Kind of, I think, like a homage. I don't think that's crazy. The biggest thing is a guy named Phil Klotz, Phil Klass, he had a UFO skeptic newsletter back in the 90s. Now, going through your mind, all these old 80s and 90s websites and newsletters.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I was told that Phil Klass had Victor's bio on his skeptics website and newsletter. Not his name, just his bio. And I always said to myself, which is great intelligence that someone gave me. I said, how would he know Victor's bio if he didn't know who Victor is? How can I put Victor and Phil Klass together? How can I ever, Phil Klass is dead. How can I ever find a connection?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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In Cosmic Conspiracy, who is Stan Dale interviewing? Phil Klass as a skeptic for the documentary. So that's how this guy knew Victor and knew that Victor released it, released the film or helped release the film. And he's a hostile witness now. But God damn it, Matthew, 27 years. It's like finding your long-lost father that you never knew. I found my guy. I bagged him. And he's not an actor.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And everybody with this production from Rocket Pictures who put out the two documentaries have all said, I am telling you, John, we didn't make that three-minute film. Matthew, I'm not regressing. I'm just saying, I contacted people who did the gaffing, the sound on the documentary, the first one. They all... Don't really talk to each other. And they all said the same thing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Jeff Broadstreet, the director, called us in the office and said, you've got to look at this. Put in the VHS tape and rolled that three-minute film. They all said Rocket Pitchers did not make this film. So either...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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standale made it or the government made it and standale brought it out but i had a guy from national geographics who hired that they hired his name was bill mums he said i can't tell you it's real or not it does not have creases under the armpits like every foam animatronic doll that's been made and another thing is this was definitely one thousand percent filmed on 16 millimeter i said bill why is that unusual he said well
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Really, the only people that filmed on 16mm in the early 90s till now are maybe some motion picture if they want to have old-time film, but the government still used it until the early 90s. Oh, they used 16mm.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And he said this, if you are on a short budget, remember I talked about money, the lack of money, if you were on a shoestring budget, why would you shoot this on 16mm and then put this on VHS tape to hand the VHS tape And then send your dupe, Victor, to other networks to sell the tape before he comes to you. It just sounds too circuitous and too much.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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On a upstart program called Strange Universe that didn't pay its employees for the first four episodes because they lacked the funding. And so this crazy, well-done animatronic alien allegedly comes on this program for a one-hour special. And I was in my condo downtown going... What am I looking at? This thing is tan. I thought gray aliens are gray. It's got round eyes. Its mouth is opening.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And even Bill Mums, a special effects expert, said they would have just filmed this on VHS tape and put it out. They would have never went through the steps of 16mm to VHS. And Victor said he was the one that did that. We do know that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, Victor admits to doing that. Stan admits to nothing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right. And to tell your viewers, he looked at the picture, the lightened picture in a picture of himself in 85. He's like, he said, quote, by golly, it's my doppelganger. Even the hairline. Quote, even the hairline is mine. I said, Stan, Mr. Dale, I called him, you even fold your hands at the wrist like Victor did. I've seen that in two of your documentaries. He's like, well, yes, I do do that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I said, and you sigh a lot. You sigh. In your documentaries, I've seen you sign in other documentaries. I said, Dr. Teller, he got Bob Lazar in S4. He's saying he got you in S4. You're telling me you're going to stand into this, telling everybody the sun is going to destroy the earth? Was I in S4? You said you were at S4, but it's not you in the film? Come on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And he's like, I just can't admit it's me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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what am i going to do beat him overhead with a hose right i'm going to eventually go to his house and try and film him even even to get his testimony of denying that it is him but for now i mean we've had uh police officers producers um investigators also the the photo match which i'll give kobe it's it's it's shocking it's it's a it's a thousand percent match and all of the other things about phil class the website with the solar flares in the end of the world and eschatology it's victor
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Victor is Stan Dale. And 27 years later, I found him. And I ask you and your viewers, he's not an actor. So now what? Now what do you tell me? I don't know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Still alive.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Still operating his website. Matt, I'm looking in your eyes. Please, illuminate me. Am I nuts? 95% of the people involved that I interviewed that said they were part of this are in their 70s, their early 80s. I mean, come on. Is this what senior citizens do? Hoax a used car dealer from Chicago? I mean, come on. And I contacted everybody. Nope, other than the chairman, I call him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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who contacted me, I went out and sought everyone else. Is it really conceivable to think that a retired government employee is walking around with a $50,000, $60,000, $70,000 video hoax, making $25,000 maybe at the most for his appearance for it, which means it wouldn't cover the cost of hoaxing that video? Does that really make any sense? Or is maybe the obvious answer,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The real answer, Occam's razor, that this did slip away from a government facility. They waited five years. They showed it to the world. They knew the government would never prosecute them because there was a little cabal that did this. The government would never prosecute them because of discovery. You're going to prosecute us about an alien interview film? Oh, great.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I can't wait till the world hears this one, like the OJ trial in season on TV. It's the most logical explanation at this point. I decided to make the documentary because I can't find anybody to tell me that it's a hoax. Even FX people say, oh, it looks fake. It's good, but I could do better. Well, do it. They don't. Why is it a fake?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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If you're telling me this is a fake Toyota car, you and I could say in a minute why it's a real Toyota or a fake one. Tell me exactly why it's fake, the alien. Is there a piece of mechanical part that you see protruding from the skin that is conclusively a fake? Is there something that they can't point to anything? It's all conjecture and hearsay, and I think so. I can't go on that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm an investigator. I find it interesting. And then you find a couple of special effects people who take you to the side, literally and metaphorically, to say, like one guy told me, We can't fake emotion. The ending of that film of that being, that being was exasperated. That being was emotion. I saw sorrow, and I fell deep in its eyes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Another special effects person said that you couldn't fake those eyes. And he went through a whole specific list of how hard it is with... if you were going to use glass or marble on those eyes of the reflection. A special effects person goes through a whole dissertation of why most likely those eyes are something biological.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Foam is coming out of the mouth. This highly scientific scientist, the whistleblower Victor, is talking about it. I know he's not an actor. You can't write what he said. He comes back on a radio show, Art Bell, Coast to Coast, a hype show. for marketing for the documentary, and he answers an hour and a half of unrehearsed questions.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Again, so I have not one person in Hollywood, the government, in the UFO world that has said, here it is, this is the conclusive reason why this is fake. And that's why I went forward and made the documentary, because I was out of answers.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, there was a gentleman, a former defense secretary, deputies named Chris Mellon and Robert Bigelow, the billionaire from Las Vegas that wanted disclosure and they- I love the Bigelow story. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And they wanted disclosure, and they went to the Pentagon and said, do we have anything that we can release? This is like kind of their inner monologue. Folks, this is just me hearing this story. And they found a clip that was fuzzy and blurry and obscure enough to not say, this is definitely a UFO or an alien. We don't know what this is.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They did a legal maneuver with DOPSER, the organization, the agency that okays releases of classified or non-classified material by military people if they want to write a book, a screenplay, go to the media. And they got this. They did a maneuver where they got the Tic Tac video declassified. Now, I say, I call bullshit because you're not walking out with anything classified of the Pentagon.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And anything non-human intelligence related is classified as majestic eyes only. Majestic. Take this to the bank. Majestic eyes only. That is the top designation, higher secrecy than the atomic Manhattan program of the atomic bomb. So they did a maneuver, but they did a maneuver because it wasn't as classified as people think it was. It was so obscure. NASA says it was only going 40 miles an hour.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Do you know this? So just bear that in mind. I'm not... I'm not poo-pooing the story. I'm just saying. So they got this film out. They found Lou Elizondo that was doing a kind of like a side project with Arrow and A-Tip, and it's real sketchy if he was the director or wasn't. I'm not getting into it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But they got Lou to release this to two reporters that I spoke to about the alien interview, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keen. And they got New York Times to release this Tic Tac video. What it is, we still don't know. Is it a drone of some sort? Is it just a Chinese drone or something? NASA did the trigonometry. It was 10,000 to 13,000 feet in the air going 40 miles an hour. But what did it do?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It opened the door for somebody like the New York Times to start saying aliens and using the vernacular UFO, where news outlets can talk about Jon Stewart is investigating an extraterrestrial program with the government, and before they run the segment on me, they don't play the X-Files music and have a green alien. It's given gravitas now, and that's what I'm so appreciative of those
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And in 97, I just said, I don't know when, but somehow I'm going to find out the truth in this film. And I sat around until 08, waiting for somebody to come out to say my uncle built the animatronic alien. You know, I did the craft. I fed the people for that production that day. I did the accounting. No one. Victor comes back in 08. He is goading the skeptics. A hoaxer?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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a favor of one of the fighter pilots going to Congress. And, of course, I think it's the bombshell. David Grush was a counterintelligence agent for the Air Force, a colonel, and he decided to come forward to say we have recovered crash, and with those crash pilots are biologics. It's the game-changing. All we need now is a forward...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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a 4k resolution of a craft coming down and beans coming out it doesn't look cgi and then we have catastrophic disclosure and then the conversation gets blown wide open but the problem is is that the government has given most of this to contract subcontractors you can't foia them it was a very smart maneuver that the united states government the pentagon did you know i've got the cookie jar i'm going to give it to somebody that you can't use legal maneuvering to get the cookie jar back and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Lockheed, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right, they try and recover them.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You're going to have to have a dispensation board. You're going to have to exonerate all these colonels, majors, generals, CEOs of these corporations for the illegal money that they may have proffered and spent, the possible murders over the past 70 years.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I hate talking about that because I hate to think that my government has murdered American citizens to keep this phenomenon secret, but they have, I think. We are just going to have to exonerate everyone in some sort of a mass committee hearing exoneration panel to move forward to let CEOs say, yeah, we we had non-human intelligence craft and so on and so forth.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And for the government in general to keep their pensions, to keep them out of jail. This is what's going to have to happen as uncomfortable as that is for the American people. As angry as it makes UFO people in the UFO community, we're going to have to relieve and have dispensation for all crimes for this phenomenon.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm not going to have a major in the Army, retired, you know, at the Virginia Country Club golfing, making $120,000 a year pension. He's got a $400,000 a year consulting job with one of these subcontractors. He's going to risk that to come forward to help Jon Stewart to prove my story is correct and go to jail?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Well, the most recent one was the UFO, the Aero or the UAP hearing, which was a couple of about 10 days ago. But it's the same, it's a big nothing burger. It's all stories. Nobody's got anything because like Lou Elizondo, he can't show you anything. He's got an NDA security agreement with the government. This is Matthew. I'm looking you in the eye.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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This is why my investigation is so crucial because I am not bound by any security agreements and government officials have helped my investigation. I am a guy that can show video, show photos, tell you names, allegedly, project names, project coding, dates without any reprisal from the government because I am not under any NDA. Don't you? Don't people understand?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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This is how the process is working for people in the military that want disclosure. You find a Jon Stewart and you help him out. You assist him and let him leak this to the public. That's why this investigation is so important. Because we have the names, dates, and photos. Whether you believe it or not, if 1% of it is true, 1% of it is true, then what does that tell you?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I mean, you're more street smart than me. A hoaxer comes back and says, come on, where are you people? Why haven't you investigated me? If it's so easy to make this puppet, make one. If I'm a fake, find out who I am.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Well, I don't know about that because I don't thumb my nose at the government. You know, and I'm very respectful of the government.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, well, you know, look, I'm not backpedaling, but I've I've I've ended all my foyers and appeals with all of the intelligence communities. I've went on ad nauseum that I think these are heroes. These men and women have been didn't decide to do this when they were in seventh grade. that they were given this information and they had to deal with it as best they could.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I understand the secrecy because of the challenge of the Cold War and China and all the other state actors that could threaten our country, but it's time now. Let me help you come out of the closet with this phenomenon. The American people won't understand.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's horrible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You nailed it on the head.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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We killed scientists to keep this cover up. We did this. Possibly the drug trade was involved in getting us money. There are people out there that think we spent $3 trillion in 70 years on this. $3 trillion that could have went for after-school programs, daycare centers, bridges, roads. We could have had a utopia here in this country. So, you know, it's going to be a very difficult conversation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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If I was running this program, I would leak something or I will leave something disastrous, like a 4K of a craft coming down, beans coming out. We don't know how this leaked. OK, OK, we're going to have this. You know, if you're.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I don't want to give any examples, but if you've done something dastardly, sometimes the best thing is rip that Band-Aid off, have an excuse to come forward and do a mea culpa. It's the only way because I don't think the Congress is going to have enough spine to demand to push the Pentagon to release this. So it's got to be even like a trip.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I have very big hope for President Trump that he will take the helm on this and have some kind of dispensation program. I've already sent signals through an intermediary to the transition group that I would like to be on that panel. I would like to be on some sort of committee to be a liaison between government and the public as far as this information. And... I would leak some catastrophic UFO.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You don't.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Great question. Victor is the person that claimed to have made a copy of it and was called the active agent who removed this from Area 51 and out of that facility. We now know that that is not entirely true from our investigation. It was actually... a United States Air Force cameraman that was the active agent that made the second copy. It was a 16-millimeter film and took this off of Area 51.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And we proffered their technology for the better of the world.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Stealth, Kevlar, fiber optics, the microtransistor, maybe some health, biomedical advancements. This has benefited the world to some degree. And yeah, we can't tell you everything because of security, and I agree with that. But yes, there is other life issues. You know, kind of like pass it off as like going to Yellowstone and seeing grizzlies in the woods.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And all I can say is the coincidences are not coincidences. There's some kind of bizarre weirdness and timing with this video.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, those are dangerous and could kill you. But we're not going to, you know, we're not going to kill them all. And, you know, so I don't think it's that big of a deal. I don't think it's that insurmountable of a challenge that the government can't face. And most Americans are worried about Wheel of Fortune and the Real Housewives of New Jersey and the NFL. We don't really give a shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Haven't they been doing that? Yeah. Right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And you show them and you desensitize them in movies and cartoons and comic books.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You nailed it right on. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's right. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Correct.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Correct.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You see him make contact with that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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A group of disgruntled employees of S4 and this extraterrestrial program would meet in Las Vegas. They waited five years. I can see your brain going like, these are not hoax. This is not the hallmark. A hoaxer gets it out and give me the money, give me the money. They wait five years and then release the film and sell it to Rocket Pictures. I mean, nothing makes sense.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right. And they're like— The opening scene with the air traffic controller.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Negative. They're just talking. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Can you imagine us in the hiring department in the United? We flip his thing and he's got an FAA report that he saw unidentified green object. We're like, done. Next.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You don't want to put that down. Yeah. What's the gain of it? Nothing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Ben time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Colby, we have to have a slumber party or something and put some good movies in here.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And we know more about the moon than the ocean floor.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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What do they call them? The Goldilocks planet?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yes. Victor said the alien being arrived in 1989. And we have corroborating people telling us that, yes, this craft, this being arrived, crashed in a craft. Three other occupants, pilots who we don't know the disposition of them, whether they were alive or dead. And came to the S4 facility in 1989, died soon after the interview program. He was the one we saw.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So you're saying that because we don't see them on the surface mining gold. Right. But that they are in the ocean, that that may be their main reason for being here. That's a really good theory.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Birth rates are not matching or not matching death rates in many countries.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He perished soon after that interview that we did see.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Exactly.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I say, yeah, let's we're going to have we're going to crash land.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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What did he call it? Something similar to Jesus, the mythology of Jesus Christ coming down, giving himself to humans, knowing that he's probably going to get crucified and. That's okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, there's, there's, you know, I have a philosophy that, that Because scientifically, and what other leakers have said of the documents that they read, that beings have manipulated our DNA over 162 times. So we are their creation. But it says that in the first text of the Sumerians, which was the first people that knew how to write or communicate through writing, called cuneiform.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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First time we ever hear of alien interview is a CIA pilot, famous ufologist John Lear, in 1987, tells George Knapp on a local Las Vegas TV, there's an alien interview film about to be released. 1989, Bob Lazar comes out and says, I worked at this crazy, bizarre facility called S-4, South of Area 51. We have... craft and, he thinks, beings there. And we're reverse engineering both, examining both.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And there's really nothing that goes against that. Biologically or genetically possible that has to be done intentionally. And we don't know who who who's the capper. This is from a geneticist on like Nova Channel, you know, PBS. So I think that we have been manipulated and created by them. Maybe just that's the whole point of the universe to procreate life. An experiment? I give the analogy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I think a lot of extraterrestrial interaction with human beings, Homo sapiens sapiens, is like the Amazon in 1850 and all the British explorers. Did some go for military reasons? Yes. Did some go down to the Amazon for resources and business and exploitation of resources? Yes. Yes. Did some go down for pure, you know, excitement and adventure? Absolutely.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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When all of these people from Britain went down to the Amazon in the 1800s, Did some interactions go good? Yes. Did some go bad? Yes. Did some of the British explorers die from natural causes? Yes. Did some natives were killed or died because of the interaction? Yes. It's the same damn thing with aliens. Do some people perish?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Do some people get injured with the interactions, whether it's radiation or other kind of ailments? It's like I think to the aliens, we're like fish in a stream. And if you look at fish in a stream, you're going to get my seven-year-old nephew down there that's going to throw rocks at the fish.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Richard Dreyfuss. Yeah. Terry Garr. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You're going to get the guy, the biologist from the Department of Natural Resources that's going to tag them, track them, maybe extract semen or eggs to study in a lab, just like people claim beans are doing. You're going to get the fisherman that wants to catch them and eat them for their family. You're going to get the fisherman that wants to catch them and... you know, photo and release.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And there's a plethora of reasons. And I think we've seen that over the past 70 years of people that have claimed to have been abducted of, of all kinds of that scenario.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, I have not.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. Yeah. It's decaying.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. He has a lineman for the electric company.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Interesting.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The Sumerians said the same thing that they thought would happen, that aliens came down, saw a crude version of us, Cro-Magnon maybe, Neanderthal maybe, and said, we have to make them a little bit more intelligent, but not too smart to rebel against us, but strong enough to mine the gold that we need. And this is said in the first writing of any civilization.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I gotta get that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Aliens, Romulus, Battlefield Earth.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Wow.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, Matthew, I think it's kind of interesting that you can't dance around. Not you. Us.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The world, you know, ask a scientist, ask an astrophysicist, if you had to build an organism, a biological organism for space travel, they basically would tell you, you know, those aliens that that's kind of you would want long fingers with the suction cups on the end for reaching onto a panel when you're in the spaceship. You wouldn't want any reproductive organs.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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organs you do it all in vitro or test tube wise to eliminate all of the problems of normal gestation of nine months and copulation and all the problems that coitus has caused in the world men and women having sex I mean come on let's face it get rid of that issue you take away emotion from human beings you give them a beehive mentality of work work focus on mission
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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you basically would create something that looks like that is coming to our planet. If you wanted to do a space-faring entity whose planet is evolved enough where it's not going to de-evolve and destroy itself, you'd take away personality, you'd take away... You'd have a one theocracy, a one rule religion. You'd have no, you know, nothing, no romance and things to do with human sexuality.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And it's just funny that scientists who have to hypothesize what the perfect being would be and to live in a world that would not destroy itself is what we hear and have learned about these beings, allegedly. Number two, I find on the same track, you can't explain to me our obsession with gold over the past 10,000 years on this planet. You just can't.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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There are far more metals that are more precious than gold. A human being cannot explain to me why the obsession of gold. It's almost in our DNA, so to speak. When we go back and find the first writings ever, talked about something coming from the sky and mining gold on this planet for use in their planet as in their atmosphere for anti-solar reflection, so to speak. That does fit in.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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My point is there are a lot of things... that do kind of mesh and are congruent, that you don't have to stretch your imagination of, oh, they're little green men. You know, I think scientifically and just in our own insight, I can't explain why we are obsessed with gold on this planet. Well, there's maybe a reason to that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And you can just, from my perspective of being a researcher, you literally start to see all of these things kind of mesh together where it's becoming like, hmm, I think we need to...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I watch documentaries and movies all day.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm not a big. I know this is crazy. Don't everyone. I'm not a big, big, big sci-fi guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Go ahead.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's actually a fact, right? The plumes of water? Yeah, right, right. That's a fact.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But there's ice. For sure, there's ice. For sure.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, seed the planet, basically.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That is really interesting.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, because you can't live in biodomes on planets forever and ever.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Our evolutionary jump is like there's like a 60,000 year period where we our brains expanded that evolutionary wise. They can't explain that 60,000 is overnight evolutionary and speaking in evolutionary terms. So what what happened to cause that jump in that mass evolution? The mass in our brains. Yes, eating protein, which they think was, you know, caused because fire.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Who taught them to, you know, to make fire? But it's just all of these questions. The chromosomes being capped. The jump in our evolution. It's just... There's no reason why we don't have hair. We're the only animal on the planet that has to make clothes to survive in the environment. Our backs, everyone's got back problems because we're not meant to be here.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
And that's the government's worry with aliens is that, you know, every time, you know, like you said, Columbus coming to, you know, to America's and wipes out the entire indigenous population.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
Right. Like they came and they brought like they have no they have no. Yeah, they have no immune system are smallpox and measles.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
when we came here is it's not like 10 it's like 60 of them just fucking got wiped out they're dead i'm gonna chop this yeah i'm gonna chop this figure so people out there that are experts just bear with me they said the mesoamerican population so like you know mexico's central america south america about 150 million people when columbus arrived
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
And before the Spaniards and whatnot, and about 15 million were wiped out, if not even more. But they said for the 15 million to be wiped out, you have to wipe out another, you know, like another like 20 million. So they don't repopulate and regenerate. And it was just it was just astronomical what happened.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
Yeah, just from disease, some warfare, but just disease and the infestation of Europeans just destroyed the Mesoamerica. I mean, just obliterated it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
I'm proud to look you in the eye and say, I have never said this, I know this film is real. I'm at about 75%. I can look you in the eye and tell you, I will die on the sword of, this was filmed by the government because of this whole 16mm difficulty. And he is right. Colby's right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
If this was filmed by the government in their magic PSYOP program making a fake alien interview, that's more terrifying than them just filming an actual alien. The fact that the government would spend our money to desensitize us or to use propaganda or PSYOP on us is more alarming to me than them filming an actual being that most of us know are in our universe or in our galaxy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
So it's great, interesting that somebody else kind of said the same thing. As somebody said, the... The story is more terrifying than what actually is, you know, how the government has covered this up and all that they've done is way more terrifying than, you know, aliens have been coming here for 10,000 years.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
I mean, you know, not who cares, but, you know, but that this government, our government for 70 years has gone to the lengths that they have and the money they spent and the lives that they have extinguished is terrifying.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
I can give the website and how people can get it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
So the documentary came out on Thanksgiving, but it will be available for 52 weeks. It's a streaming cloud. So if you live in Australia, you can still watch it. It's not pay-per-view in America. It's pay-per-view on the streaming cloud. And the website is huntingvictor.com. It's got the pay-per-view link. It's like $8. It's, you know... We're not trying to hurt anybody.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
We try to make it as cost-effective as possible. And I'm going to do something that no one has really done in any documentary since the advent of films or TV. I'm going to allow myself for people to contact me for a year to ask me any questions or follow-up on this documentary. So I will be available via my email at
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
to to engage with people um if they have any questions about any part of my documentary which i don't think anybody's ever really done to the point that i plan on doing it for a year i think i owe that to the ufo community how long is the documentary about an hour and 40 minutes and it and believe me i can't stand hearing myself speak anymore but even when i watch it you're at like a an hour and 10 minutes you're like wait wait a minute this you know it's it's it's b-roll it's documents it's it's
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
No, it's basically like a sit-down conversation with Michael Carter from Ancient Aliens, a TV show on the History Channel. But in our conversation together in a very professional setting and professionally produced, we show you the documents, the names, the dates, B-roll, video, film. We go through the chronology. It's done very well.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
And we show you photos of these men, photos of one of the Carthusian monks, which is amazing. People went crazy when we showed the photo of an actual alleged telepath in this program, this interrogation program, and the emails that were sent to me and other people that have backed up this story. A man by the name of Nico, who claims he was shown this film with My Alien, but it was 56 minutes long.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
And he hints at who showed him the film, a Brooklyn-born, old, highly educated scientist. And we find out who that was. He worked for the CIA, and it was the head of the Russian KGB propaganda unit for the CIA in the Cold War in the 80s. We found that guy, too. So the conversation is startling. And we tell you who Victor is in his whole bio. I think this is just going to just open up
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
I think it's going to break the Internet. I think it's going to lead to so many more investigations and conversations, and I'm proud of that. God damn it, I am the only documentary that has given names, dates, photos, videos. There is no, well, get to us next week, and we'll tell you we think. And I found Bigfoot. I found the missing girl. Right? You know, I'm showing you a conclusion.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
And I've been watching documentaries since 73. I've never seen one documentary that just, for God's sakes, end the conversation. Who's Jack the Ripper? Where do we find Bigfoot? Did you find the missing girl? I'm using a metaphor. I do that, and I'm proud of that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
Yep.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
No. I said to myself, well, okay, I'm all full of chutzpah, but I don't know where to go. I'm not a ufologist. I don't know anybody in the military. What do I do? But from watching documentaries from the 70s as a little kid, and being into ufology and cryptozoology and interested in all of that, I know that at times researchers...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
who come out on radio programs, television, or write a book, sometimes those people do get contacted by deep insiders with inside knowledge. This happens a lot. They'll get a canister of 8-millimeter film to their house. They'll get a document sent to them anonymously. So I said, who can I contact to start to metastasize this investigation?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
1991, we know now, this film is shot with this being. I want to be very clear, all telepathic, or they call them thought projection interviews, were filmed by the government audiovisual department, every single one of them. There's hundreds, if not thousands, of interrogations of these beings on film. And Victor then that film is smuggled out in 91 by an Air Force cameraman.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
So I called an old podcaster, old radio program, still on the air. He's been on since like 90-whatever. His name is Jeff Frentz on the JeffFrentz.com internet radio show. And he said, I know this video. I believe this video is real. Come on. I'll help you. Get the word out that you're starting to investigate it. And that's what I did. And I was humble.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
I had my hat in my hand, begging the UFO community or the military, someone to help me, someone to give me any information, whether it's real or not. Remember, I'm going at this as a hoax. That's what a scientist does. You go at something to prove it's not true, not like, I know it's true. I'm going to ram it down your... I didn't do that. Lo and behold, this happened right before Memorial Day.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
I go on his program. All my emails get swiped off my phones. So after the interview, he's like, oh, you did a great job. I hope it helps out. I go to his producer. I said, all of my emails have been removed from my iPhone. Producer goes, that happens all the time. I'm like, what? Because it happens all the time. Weirdness to all of our guests. It's just part of the landscape.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
I'm like, I'm not part of your landscape. I'm like, who's doing this? He's like, well, what do you think? We think the government has been monitoring us for years. I'm like, okay. I'm like, whatever. Two weeks later, in about the middle of June, I get my first email from a person. And it just simply says, you know, I caught your interview on Jeff Rents. I'll never forget the language.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower Leaks Alien Footage & Exposes Government Cover-Up!!! (Video Footage)
You got some things right. You got some things wrong. I'm knowledgeable of these programs. If I can give your investigation a nudge, I'll never forget that word, I will do so. And he emails me once a month for nine months.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
Bent is the story of John J. Boziak's phenomenal life of crime. Inked from head to toe, with an addiction to strippers and fast Cadillacs, Boziak was not your typical computer geek. He was, however, one of the most cunning scammers, counterfeiters, identity thieves, and escape artists alive, and a major thorn in the side of the US Secret Service as they fought a war on cybercrime.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned-out bank account in his wake, he vanished.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
Boziak's stranger-than-fiction tale of ingenious scams and impossible escapes, of brazen run-ins with the law and secret desires to straighten out and settle down, makes his story a true crime con game that will keep you guessing. Bent. How a homeless teen became one of the cybercrime industry's most prolific counterfeiters. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Well, now that you ask, that's a good question.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Those bastards. You know how many people. Yeah, like Fargo, you're in the snow.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
It's so cool.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
For God's sakes, Tom.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Give me my $27. Yeah, I know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Normally I'd be like, give me your number.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
You can just give me his number.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Oh, yeah, you were funny.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Yeah, like he's doing magic?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Like, he attacked you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
1.2.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
We're going to go with cocks or maybe Mr. Cox. Can we not use cocks in prison? Cutie cocks. Yeah, cutie cocks.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Oh, shit. He's set a franchise. Now he's going to Thailand to start a new colony.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
The first girl's like, oh, you're an asshole for breaking up with Christmas.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
And then she's like, oh, okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Yeah, you got to record this.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Right? Like, holy moly.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
And they're like, no.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Did they get caught? Yeah, of course. Within a day. Like the next day they grabbed him. Like it's so obvious.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Get a tourniquet. Get a tourniquet. I'm not gonna make it. Tell my family I love them. Get up, Marge. You're standing up. Get up, Marge. Betty, get up. Dude, I picture that dude just...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
What would you say?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
I used to know old Cutie Cox. He was hardcore prison.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Wait, this sounds nothing like that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
From prison. Thank God you weren't there to give me that name. That would have stuck. Cutie Cox would have stuck. That would have been horrible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
They just, you should be here.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
They're like, stop it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
They're like, he means business. Don't mess with cutie cocks.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
I'm not worth shoes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Excuse me. Now you're getting all defensive. This ass. This happened. I need to watch. I heard you got 26 years. Like, yeah. I need a cell phone.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Now you know how these chicks feel. It's horrible. I'm sitting there like, hey, eye contact. Stop it. Eyes up here. I'm wearing my shirt on top, walking around. Holding it down by my knees.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
No.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Red changed.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The SHOCKING Truth About Being Gay In Prison | Hilarious Prison Stories
Can we leave all that in?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
Bent is the story of John J. Boziak's phenomenal life of crime. Inked from head to toe, with an addiction to strippers and fast Cadillacs, Boziak was not your typical computer geek. He was, however, one of the most cunning scammers, counterfeiters, identity thieves, and escape artists alive, and a major thorn in the side of the US Secret Service as they fought a war on cybercrime.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned-out bank account in his wake, he vanished.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
Boziak's stranger-than-fiction tale of ingenious scams and impossible escapes, of brazen run-ins with the law and secret desires to straighten out and settle down, makes his story a true crime con game that will keep you guessing. Bent. How a homeless teen became one of the cybercrime industry's most prolific counterfeiters. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Life as a Career Criminal: Outlaw Biker’s Crazy Stories
Yeah, tell Mike to come down here on Monday and Bob Shepard will give him a job.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Life as a Career Criminal: Outlaw Biker’s Crazy Stories
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Since 1955, how many retired senior citizen men and women sitting on their porch in Iowa or Montana in their flannel shirt with nothing to win or nothing to lose, years from death, look in the camera and say, I picked up recovered graft. I saw the bodies. I put a body in a crate. What I have been told by two different people was you didn't have to mentally ask the being the question.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And when he retired and thought he was clear enough or cleared enough from this facility and who he was, he released the film on through rocket pitchers on the UPN network, not Fox on a, on a series called strange universe. And this was a one hour documentary. And I think because of the alien interview, which somebody, you know, what people were saying was a hoax a year before this film.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And because of its bizarreness fell through the cracks in the government in news and And in UFO researchers.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Oh, through my five-year investigation, I probably have written 180 press releases. I've tried to contact 60 reporters. I'm at right now 45 people. Ufologist, seven military experts, four who helped me deeply. Three of these military people are military intelligence, retired insiders. Been contacting with the producer, the CEO of the production company.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And it's just this casual conversation of it's not fake. We didn't fake it. We didn't hire Victor. He came to us out of the blue.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
OK, great question. So this bizarre physiological monitor, if you're going to show the film is by this creature, the blip does not go across the screen. It goes up and down and stays stationary. Never seen that before. We still don't know what that is. It's the only part of my investigation that I really have not had any conclusive information about.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And also on the bottom of this film is digital overlay graphics placed on the film itself later in production. or when they made two copies at the Groom Lake Photo Lab. It says DNI slash 27, Delta, November, India, which Victor tells us stands for the Department of Naval Intelligence. Just remember that. And then slash 27. So I've got this film in my mind.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
It's 1999, and I run for United States Congress. I drop out and endorse a man who became the congressman and an Illinois senator. And he had a senator, a present sitting senator on our bus tour when I dropped out and we went around the end of the campaign to help him, you know, the end of the end of the cycle of the election.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And I asked the senator who was a former Navy person, and I'm sure people can, you know, put two and two together. And I don't want to say his name anymore because I've been admonished for doing so. And when he got off the stage to make a speech, we took a picture and I looked at him. I said, you know, Senator, before we get back on the bus, what is the Department of Navy Intelligence?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And Matthew, he looked this jovial senator, got this aggressive look, stared at me with these black tall eyes. He's like, you don't need to know anything about that. Stormed off to talk to me for the rest of the bus tour. And I do wrap-ups. So I'm thinking, wait a minute. I got a hoaxed video, right? Supposed hoax video.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Three letters on the hoax video that a screenwriter, 24-year-old screenwriter in 1996 put on to hoax us. We can't find what the Department of Naval Intelligence is, 96 or 2023. So why would you put a department that no one can find? I mean, you're hoaxing yourself. And why did these three letters, I'm saying this in my mind, piss off a United States senator?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And I remember saying to myself, sitting alone on the bus, what in the hell is going on with this video? And then normal life takes over, Matt. And it's the start of COVID again. Like I said, I had some time off and I said, let me figure something out about this film. And this is 2019. And I started with the physiological monitor, folks.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
It looked like a pane of glass with this green blip going up and down, stationary, not horizontally across the monitor. Bizarre. So trying to be a good journalist and investigator, I find three PhD candidates who did the history of physiological monitors. I mean, is there anybody better to go to the to get their opinion on what is this.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And they looked at the film and these three PhD candidates said, you know, Mr. Stewart, we have no idea what that is. We've never, in all of our years of research, we have never seen that, heard of that. It doesn't make sense that the blip goes up and down and not across the screen. And we are to tell you that we have no idea what that monitor is. That wasn't enough.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
You know, I'm trying to be a good journalist. I call Hewlett Packard and Space Labs. They were the two companies in the 90s that made physiological monitors for retail consumption and Space Labs made it for NASA. You know, right? These great companies to call. And I literally asked for their physiological monitoring engineering departments, research and development.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And one of them emailed me back, said, we're all here looking at your film in engineering departments. We have no idea what this is. We've never seen this even at a trade show. We've never seen concept drawings of this. And I'm thinking PhD candidates don't know what this is. The engineers at Hewlett Packard don't know what this is. I get a crusty 60-something-year-old guy at Space Lab.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
I'm sorry, Space Lab sent me the we don't know what it is. I get a crusty 60-something-year-old guy at Hewlett Packard. And he's calling me kid, you know. And I show him the video and he's like, kid, I don't know what that is. I said, sir, have you ever seen this at a trade show in 30 years of being a physiological engineer?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Have you ever heard of somebody say we could we could try and develop this or a single blip? It goes up and down. He goes, you're not listening to me. I don't know what this is. He goes, but I'm telling you, if you're telling me this is in a government lab or a government facility, it would be a one of. And I'm like, oh, what's a one of?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
He said, well, in any application, scientific, let's say you're trying to figure out a situation, solve a problem, a formula, and there was no device to help you, let's say like a metal detector, if you're looking for gold in the ground, you would develop and put to concept, conceive and develop and manufacture a one-off device, just one of a kind to help you figure out your situation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
I said, don't laugh at me. I said, would you develop a one of physiological monitor? If you knew that a bean had a really bizarre heart and lung sack and not a traditional heart and lung first time in this, this happened a lot for five years. Didn't laugh at me, Matthew. He didn't hang up on me. He didn't, you know, you know, often be like, Oh dear God.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And he went, yeah, that's exactly what I would have done if this was an alien and He didn't have a regular human heart. Of course, you'd have to make up a special device. So again, I'm sitting in my car and I'm going, okay, we've got a pissed off senator. We've got a department, Navy intelligence. Nobody knows what it is. I've got a
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Scriptmall Video Production Company, you know, listen to my words, folks. A Scriptmall Video Production Company that has somehow magically invented the most bizarre physiological monitor ever known to man. And an animatronic doll that probably would have cost, what we were told, $70,000 to $100,000 back then. Five people to work it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And we know that the budget that they got from the UPN network and Strange Universe to put this one hour documentary on was just over $100,000. And we know what Victor was paid. We know what Jeff Broadstreet basically was paid. How did this happen? No money, a retired scientist who doesn't drive this monitor, the pissed off senator, the department that doesn't exist. And here I am in a 2019.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Matthew, I'm sure you've had moments like this that any of your other viewers, when you're trying to figure out something, you you sit back and you go, my God. what am I getting into? This is no longer some semi-retired grandfather's hobby. You know, I'm starting to fall down the rabbit hole. And I said, well, I'm going to keep going and go further and try and find even more about this video.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
No, that's right. So I had now I had information, but I did not have knowledge. You know, knowledge is from people being in dealing with it. First person, you know, first person witnessing this, maybe this program. Matthew, I knew no one really in the UFO community. No, no, nobody in military intelligence, barely in the military.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But I knew that some UFO researchers, when they published books or they did radio interviews, would get contacted sometimes from people in the know with their desire to help out that UFO researcher. So I went on the Jeff Rents program. Jeff has had and still has a very... Alternative news website reminiscent of Drudge. He's got a radio, internet radio show.
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So in 2021, I went on the Jeff Rents program and talked about where I was at with the monitor and the senator and so on. And lo and behold, it was the first week of June. This was right before Memorial Day. I get an email from a gentleman who, claims to be, you know, an insider. And he says, you know, I enjoyed your interview. You got some things right. Got a couple of things wrong.
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You know, I'd like to keep in touch with you. If you have any questions, you know, you might think of for me, if I can help you or any, and never forget the word he said, if I, if I can nudge your investigation in any way, please, please let me know. I don't know how much I can tell you, but I'll do my best. And I would get emails from him the first week of every month. Sorry. Who is this again?
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Sorry. I'm sorry. After doing this, this Jeff rents program, I got a random email from, I don't know who it was at this point.
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So you seem to be like a male. Right. And, and you know, he said, I, you know, I've got your program, you know, I'm in the know. I'm not with military intelligence, but I, You know, I have been read into these programs. Like I said, I'll help you if I can and give your investigation a nudge. And, and, you know, wow, you got some things, right.
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You got a couple of things wrong, what you were talking about.
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Well, I, I will tell you, I can't reveal his name because he is my deep throat. Like, you know, Woodward and Bernstein and the Watergate investigation. It was, he did this communicate with me, uh, June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, February, for 10 months. And on my birthday, he sends me the list. And I don't want to mince my words here.
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He sends me the list of the report from the Defense Intelligence Agency. That is who ran the alien interrogation program south of Area 51, the DIA agency. He must have had a contact in the DIA who sent him a, and this is my vernacular, like an internal investigation for the director of the DIA back in either 91 or 97 when this video surfaced of, you know, how this video film was smuggled out.
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But more importantly... I got the names of the military men who were in the viewing gallery watching this alien interview through the partition glass. And it was shocking to me. My hand was shaking because I was seeing people's names that I've never seen before, that I never heard of, and ufology. And he told me the real date of the film, which the whistleblower Victor got wrong,
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The name of the facility, which was S2 Alpha, Victor said it was S4. We know that the bottom level of S2 Alpha is called S4, and there's a lot of, you know, promotion about that on the internet. And so...
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It also said that it wasn't smuggled out in the butt crack of Victor in a microfilm, that the United States Air Force cameraman simply took this film when the interview was finished with this bean. He was driven back to the Groom Lake Photo Lab, not Area 51 Photo Lab, the Groom Lake Photo Lab by a United States Air Force police officer.
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Wouldn't you have liked to have been in that car for the 15 minutes to Area 51? And three days later, not that day, real specifics, three days later, two copies of the film were made. And the three-minute version was put into a United States government burn bag. I don't even know what the GSA was at the time. And it was the burn bag that was let out of Area 51 and then recollected there.
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by the US Air Force cameraman, not Victor. So there's a new person in this whole fold, which is the Air Force cameraman really smuggled this out. And Victor was the one that simply went on camera. But Matthew, you know, just having the names, it's not any kind of an investigation. So I started to process and dig into each one of the names.
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Again, these are the men that were viewing the being behind the viewing partition in the interview suite down at level S4 in S2 Alpha building. And the first name was a retired Air Force person, famous son of a World War II veteran, not MacArthur, not Patton, not Eisenhower. And he was on the Wikipedia. It said he was he worked there. He then worked for TRW. I'm like, well, this is a hoax.
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The guy wasn't even in the Air Force at the time. He was being allowed to view this alien. And then I called Sean David Morton, who was instrumental in the first documentary. As a researcher, he said, John, my family, some of my family were for TRW. Sean David Morton. And he said, TRW does so many black projects for the government, they might as well be the government.
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We would never kill or put habeas corpus on the side and Obama sends a hellfire missile into a U.S. citizen's car in the Middle East. No jury, no Miranda rights, no trial by his peers, and then kill his son two weeks later.
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That does not disqualify him. If anything, that even proves even more of a provenance of why he might have been down there. Interesting. Okay. Still to this day, no one's debunking this thing for me. The next person was a rear admiral. I look him up, and to my shock, he was the intelligence liaison for the Joint Chiefs of Staff reporting directly to Colin Powell. This is 91.
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And he was in the Oval Office with Colin Powell. briefing the president of the United States, George H. Bush, at the time. He is dead, and he is the only name I'm going to release. His name was Admiral Schaefer. His nickname was Ted. And he was allegedly down in this facility also. But remember what he did. He was intelligence liaison for the Joint Chiefs for Colin Powell, briefed the president.
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Very important you remember that in about 20 minutes from now. The next person was a captain in Naval Intelligence, a Wikipedian. He retired a vice admiral. I'm like, well, this is a hoax. They said he's a captain. One of my investigators, Chris Jackson, former police officer, he's like, dummy, me, dummy. This investigation briefing was either from 91, was taken from information in 91.
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Do you think maybe back in 91, he was an army, a United States Navy captain? And 25 years later, he became an admiral? And I'm like, oh my God, that's true. This list is from 91, not from 2023. So I find his email. I email him. And we have this great relationship, three or four emails. It was actually three because the fourth one is when he goes to me. Three emails back and forth.
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Matthew, I was actually going to go to Virginia and ask him out for lunch or for coffee or I don't know, what do retired military people do, play golf? But this is how friendly we were with each other. I almost gave him his nickname. He asked me to call him his nickname, which felt very uncomfortable for me. And at the fourth email, he said, before you come out, what do you have?
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What is this documentary about? And I'm like, Vice Admiral, this is very hard for me. I have relatives in the military. I respect the military. I'm proud to say that I was one of the progenitors. with Senator Mark Kirk, who kept the North Chicago VA administration center open when we found out it was being closed. So please take that as a grain of salt, but I'm going to send you a report.
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Your name's on it. It's as bizarre as it gets. And please let me know what you think. And this friendly guy with these friendly interactions ghosted me, refused to email me back, call me, anything, completely ghosted me. And in my opinion, Matthew, in 2010,
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22, if you're electronically ghosting somebody after such a nice, you know, camaraderie of emails that says that speaks volumes, that's saying a million words. I've talked to military people, you know, most people in the military, you know, people on the internet want me to say most, not all. And that's true. Most people in the, in the military are very honorably
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And they're not going to lie to your face. And instead what they'll do, they just won't talk to you. So they're not forced to lie. So he just refused to talk to me. About eight months later, a month ago, Dr. Michael Sala, who runs ExoPolitics, he was a government, a litigator for countries and just a PhD, just a wonderfully bright man. He emailed him.
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And the vice admiral emailed back and said, you know, I'm just not interested in talking anything about my past military career. And Dr. Sala wrote me back and said, I can't believe it. He's real. He's legit. He's a real person. It's, you know, it's amazing. And so I'm like, wow, this is, you know, this, this is getting creepier by the day. You know, again, nobody just debunking it.
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This is a really two interesting parts. Then it comes to the doctors who came in to the beans area to tend to the bean when it was having a respiratory attack, a coughing attack. And I Googled both of their names, the doctor to the beans, right on the film. who's just holding the bean's shoulders. He died in California about five years ago.
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I find Matthew, his widow, his second wife, who is his widow. I call her up. Now imagine telling an 80-year-old woman, you know, I think your husband was involved in aliens. It's like, it was really uncomfortable for me, but I told her the entire story quickly. And I don't get hung up on, she's not laughing. And there's a pause. I'm not being melodramatic. I'm just relating this verbatim.
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And she said, John, the light just went on above my head. I'm like, what? She's like, this completely makes sense now. And I'm like, I'm going to call her Kim. I'm like, Kim, can you explain what you're talking about? She said, John, ever since I've been married to my husband, he's never wanted to talk about his time in the United States Army Medical Corps. Now, I never said Army Medical Corps.
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That is on this report from the DIA. It's Dr. So-and-so, United States Army Medical Corps. So how did this 80-year-old woman know what was going to be on this report describing what her husband was or the branch of military? Interesting. She said he never wanted to talk about his time in the U.S. Army Medical Corps.
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She goes, John, what's even more funny, our friend group, our social group, has veterans from Vietnam, Korea, World War II veterans. And they all talk of funny stories of a drill instructor or, you know, the conditions at boot camp or, you know, non-combat humorous stories. And we all would ask ourselves and to each other, why does my husband never want to talk about his time in the military?
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What secret or secrets was my husband holding on to? And she said, this phone call after 20 years makes complete sense. And I really appreciate you calling me. And if you have anything else, my daughter, you know, you said you live in the Chicago area. My daughter lives in the Chicago suburbs. Here's her name. Here's her email.
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You know, if you ever want to get together and coffee and ask her about my husband, you know, please do so. And she goes, I'm going to tell her what you told me and, you know, do what you want with it. I'm like, Wait a minute. Some some unknown person sends me this list. I start vetting it. No one's laughing. No one's hanging up the phone.
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You know, like, you know, I knew I was in I knew I was in deep at that point. Here's another bizarre one. The next doctor. I find out in 1991 that he was working for the VA. Not that the VA has the best doctors in the world, but working for the VA, I would think it's like being on the bench as a pitcher in baseball for the government.
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You know, you can be plucked out at any time and moved anywhere for any need. And remember, the creature in this video film has a coughing respiratory attack. What did this doctor do in the VA in 1991? He was a pulmonologist. Now that's either the greatest coincidence, you know, pulmonology, dealing with breathing, lungs.
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And they must have brought this doctor in because the creature was suffering from a debilitating respiratory issue. Victor tells us,
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that even though they eliminated microbial bacteria from their ecosystems, that's a verbatim quote, that they still were susceptible to having microbes form, and for biologists, I'm butchering this, still form in the respiratory system, no matter how advanced and how high-tech these beings were.
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And this doctor must have been brought in as a pulmonologist and an expert to see if he could figure out how to, you know, treat or care for this being. He is still practicing medicine in Connecticut. And his picture's on the internet with his lab coat on and his office hours and, you know... You know, you're seeing a man tend to an alien from off planet.
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And now you're seeing his picture on Google. It was bizarre. It was bizarre. And then it said there was two other telepaths in the room. And let me talk about the telepathy program. It was actual thought projections. What I have been told by two different people was you didn't have to mentally ask the being the question.
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You would sit down as a telepath and in your mind, for lack of a better word, you would get, yes, I know you want to talk about the object that's in the Indian Ocean. I really don't know much about it. And, you know, before you could say to the being in your mind, can you tell me about the object in the Indian Ocean? And another anecdotal story that I got from
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From a military insider was the communication was difficult. And this is a great anecdotal story. You know, you want to call bullshit. That's great. But this is a I thought this was a really interesting anecdotal story of the communication barrier. The telepath would get the thought of, do you know where I'm coming from?
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And and he would turn to an army or a Navy or an intelligence person in the room and say, he's asking us, you know, do we know where he comes from? I guess that's like a star system when, in fact, or sorry, I'm jumbling that the telepath would say, he's asking me, do you know where I'm coming from? Like he's getting like snippy with me.
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When, in fact, the being was relating, do you know where I come from? What star system, what galaxy, or what moon, or what part of the universe that I come from? So there was a very, very, very hard communication problem with the telepaths and these beings. But it was told that these two telepaths that were in the room in that interview were were remarkable.
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They would be, they were able to sit down with this being and immediately turn around. And I'm imitating what a military person was showing me. They would be able to turn around immediately and say, okay, his spaceship was designed and built at a molecular level. It's not like where we do where we layer metal and do rivets and, you know, they would get immediate, immediate, clear, definitive, um,
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information from these beings. It was remarkable. But many people, including Victor, said that the telepath program, they were hiring people and getting telepaths that were one step above 1-800 psychics, you know, back in the 80s and 90s. And this is not something I would like to pivot. Something that relates with Bob Lazar is
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and another person named Danny Bush, Captain Danny Burish, who was claimed to be down in the facility. The government loves people who are a little off. Their education is sketchy. They have an interesting background. They can't prove a lot of the provenance of their education or their, their, their profession or their expertise and why.
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So when they come out and expose things, they can debunk them. And when I just said, you look at myself, I'm not a government plant. I mean, my daughter spit up their cocoa puffs at the table. When I said somebody on the internet says I'm a CIA agent. But, but have I been used to, And to brief, to get this information out, It's possible.
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And look at me, you know, went to six colleges and my professional wrestling career writer, Ric Flair gimmick with the boa sequin robe. I was an automobile dealer and a politician. Could you pick any more professions that people laugh at? So look at who, to some degree, a portion of the government is letting the information come to and letting this person now being the figurehead of this video.
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I am completely, can be discredited, my education and who I was in my crazy life and lifestyle back in the day. So this is not an uncommon thing for the government to do. Not uncommon to pull a psychic and say, hey, do you want to think you can do telepathy through an alien? I see you.
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I'm having a hard time hearing you.
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Totally. And let me follow that up. Seven UFO researchers that I trust have this list. OK, I the minute I got it, I drove to Wisconsin and I met the Roswell expert. He was J. Allen Hynek, a Blue Books assistant in Chicago. His name is Donald Schmidt. He is currently right now in New Mexico looking for more metal from the Roswell crash. He's head of the International UFO Consortium.
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The day, the, the, the weekend I got it, I drove to show it to him. Remember, I don't want to be Bernie Madoff. I don't want to be Elizabeth Holmes disclosure. And yes, um, we are still two other reasons that this is keeping the list, not public. Number one, um, we are filming a documentary. It's not out yet. I have no agreements. So, you know, that is part, you know, that is part of my, my, um,
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you know, my material that I would like to present in my way. The second biggest problem is we still don't know the legality of what I have in bringing out these people's names. I don't want this doctor's office to be sieged with vans and satellite trucks and UFO people calling them. This is a very murky and very sticky situation that I'm in.
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But I want everyone to know, I'm looking in the camera, seven UFO experts, two law firms, two producers, and two people inside Naval Intelligence who are on this list have this report. So I didn't hide this from anyone. from anyone. And I am willing to show, I call him the chairman. I'd like to get how I exposed to myself, the man that gave me this list.
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I, anyone that wants to fly to Chicago, I will come face to face without any cameras. I'll show you his picture in the newspaper, who he is. You'll probably fall off your chair. He's a very prominent person in a metropolitan city. So, you know, nine people have this list. I want to be very clear to that. and respected UFO researchers.
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This list is with Congress, too, and Stephen Greer's disclosure project.
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Okay. Um, so I had a little break, you know, you, you got all this information, you showed the UFO researchers and experts, quality trusted people, um, Linda Moulton Howell, most respected person in ufology, a journalist, award-winning journalist, said, you got gold here. I said, why do I have gold? She said, because I have never heard of one of these men.
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And sometimes fraudulent UFO people come forward with retread names. She's like, you're coming forward with people that we've never heard of, and they're verifiable through Wikipedia or Google or any kind of a search like that. So I'm looking at my emails from this man who got the DIA report for me. And I realized, Matthew, that he was emailing me the first week of every month.
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Let's start, let's, you know, let's rock and roll.
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And it kind of sunk in because my father was on a board of directors for 35 years of a credit union in Illinois. And they met the first week of every month for a board of directors meeting. It's called the Open Meetings Act. And I said, I'm wondering if this person is on a board of directors. And then I took his email. I should have done this 10 months ago. I just didn't.
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You would sit down as a telepath and in your mind, for lack of a better word, you would get, yes, I know you want to talk about the object. That's in the Indian Ocean. We are no longer sitting on top of the food chain that these beings are on top of the food chain. You know, they're the DNR, the Department of Natural Resources. And we're the deer.
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What is this? I look at his mouth open, his mouth closed. I mean, I, you know, so they're out there. You have to look, I say one thing. I give the best wrap up on what you just said. I think I've worked at it since 1955. How many retired senior citizen men and women sitting on their porch in Iowa or Montana in their flannel shirt with nothing to win or nothing to lose?
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You know, you're in the moment. You're not thinking clearly. You know, I have ADD. I can be a ding-a-ling too and not think clear. I'm like, wait a minute. Why don't I try and back, you know, try and find out what this email connects to. And I have a program through the automobile industry, believe it or not, that does that. And I found out that the email connected to an institution.
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I'm going to leave it at that. in a metropolitan city. And through my research, I called the number. It was this man's daughter's office that the email was coming from. And my speculation based on a lot of anecdotal evidence is that when this man would come for a board of directors meeting once a month, he would go into his daughter's office and use her computer and email me.
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And I was pretty proud that I, you know, I did the Colombo investigation and kind of realized that. And I actually spoke to her, but of course I was, you know, I lied to her. I was, you know, didn't tell her exactly why I was calling. You know, I got her name. It's not the name
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And that's why I call my main whistleblower the chairman, because he was on a board of directors in an institution in a metropolitan city. And, you know, so I had all this provenance. And I said, well, what else can I do? Now, there was a man in Europe who... dissected the video piece by piece, and he found microscopic eyebrow movements.
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He found the mouth opening and closing, and so did journalist Jaime Muson in Mexico, who emailed me, John, close up on the mouth. You know, you're going to fall off your chair. It opens and closes instantaneously, and it doesn't have any protruding animatronic metals or whatnot.
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So trying to know that I'm going to get vetted, I'm going to be asked, my investigation is going to be microscopically analyzed. I then paid $2,500 and my wife was not happy to an animatronic expert in California who was hired by National Geographic to do a deep dive microscopic analysis of the Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot film. I mean, what better guy to take this to, right?
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If National Geographic trusts him. So I spent $2,500. I gave him the film. He immediately three days later writes, sends me back a picture of the monitor and the monitor because an FX person told us, well, it's a pane of glass. They're bouncing a laser on it. Somebody off camera. He said, it's not a pane of glass. It's a device. It's a box. It's surrounded by metal. It's an actual monitor.
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I'm like, okay. Four days later, he writes me back and he's like, I got a head scratcher here. This is the man hired by National Geographic's Pretty well respected animatronics person and especially video expert in California. He said, John, I've been doing animatronic puppets for 30 years. Never, never in my life. And he sent me 20 pictures as examples.
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Have I seen an animatronic puppet where it does not have creases in the armpits, in the arm folds? And he said that happens because about 75% of the drying process, folks, this is what I was told. It could be 80, half, somebody could have a different technique.
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But at some point in the drying process of an animatronic creature being, you have to hold up the creature where his arms come down to the side of his body. And I'm doing that with my hands. And he goes, and when the arms come down to the side of the puppet's body, it is then the creases appear or are created from that movement. And he goes, I'm scratching my head. I've spent a day staring at it.
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that alien does not have any creases in its arm fold. And I can't tell you for the life of me why. Now he goes, I can't say this is a hundred percent. I don't have the bean and formaldehyde. I don't know anyone that has this puppet on their shelf or in their garage in Hollywood. He said, but I'm telling you that arm crease, that is a massive, massive red flag that it is not an animatronic puppet.
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So, Here I sit. Now I've got an FX expert telling me that there's a great possibility that that this could be real. And, you know, I always tell people that this is the you know, this is the investigation that keeps giving. Um, so I had all this nomenclature and I had all these names and facilities. And I know that he was a counterintelligence person, you know, 30 years ago.
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And he dissuades people that maybe it's a UFO, maybe it's a government program. And his name is Richard Doty, works for the Air Force. And I just asked Richard Doty to break down the military nomenclature.
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years from death, look in the camera and say, I picked up recovered craft. I saw the bodies. I put a body in a crate. I flew the bodies to Fort Worth Air Base. I worked at Wright-Patt. I saw a bean. I, you know, I, Bill Lujaus, a Marine. I designed the simulator, an extraterrestrial simulator to train U.S. pilots who worked alongside me was uh, J-Rod, uh, an extraterrestrial biological entity.
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just why day him to ask him about the film, you know, because somebody, and I'm not calling Richard this at all, but because somebody was in the mafia, do you not as a reporter want to still interview them, even though they may have lied and murdered or again, I'm not saying that that is Dodie, but the point being is just because somebody has done something checkered or eyebrow raising in the past, doesn't mean that that's that person in present day.
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And Dodie said, you know, I said, Rick, do you know if this Victor film is real? He's like, it is absolutely real. He goes, but Victor was lying. I'm like, oh, here we go. It's going to be debunked. He said it wasn't at S4 technically. The level is called S4 that the interview suite is at. He said, but the building is called S2 Alpha, Sector 2 Annex.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And that is where the alien retention interrogation program takes place. I'm like, okay. I said, um, Can you can you tell me anything? Tell me anything else. He said that, you know, that that. I can't believe that this that I'm what I'm about to say, how these stories prove each other for two people that don't know each other. He said, John, I don't know anything really else about the film.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I know that Victor was a biologist. I never said biologist. He said, but I'll tell you one thing. I remember back in 96 and intelligence circles because we gossip more than, you know, women at a PTA meeting. And I don't mean to be degrading towards women. But, you know, we gossip more than five guys in a in a golf outing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He goes, I remember the director of the documentary doing a deep dive and really having sharp elbows and pissing off intelligence people trying to figure out if Victor was indeed a government employee. Now, think about that. Here's Rick Doty telling me a story from 25 years ago. that the director who supposedly hired an actor, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's what the skeptics say, that the director who supposedly hired an actor is vetting this actor through military people and military intelligence sources and pissing people off. Why would you vet an actor that you hired through central casting? So again, another, you know, another anecdotal story from two people that don't know each other that crisscrossed and overlapped.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I mean, man, it just never ended. You know, I go on the internet, the guy that does reverse speech, David Oates, regardless of whether you think of the science of reverse speech, you know, takes a statement, then it plays it backwards and some extraordinary, you know, words come out. relating to your subconscious.
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He starts debunking Bob Lazar, Richard Hoagland, the guy that does the Mars anomalies. And then we, and then I find where he does Victor and I'm like, oh, here we go. You know, he's going to bust me. Victor's a fraud. And Victor in reverse speech says from the Pleiades. And then another part, he says in my head, meaning thought projection,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And David Oates, a scientist for reverse speech, says, quote, that in my opinion, the whistleblower Victor who brought up the alien interview is a highly credible, highly credible witness and says who he says he is. You know, this isn't part of my investigation. I didn't hire David Oates to, you know, to prove the provenance. of my investigation, far be it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And it came to the point where I know I'm missing something here. You know, it came to the point where I found I just couldn't find anyone to debunk it. And I want to be very clear, Matthew, in 25 years, not one credible person, the person that built the puppet,
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a person that worked on the catering for that day during that shoot, the two military men that were in the foreshadow, anybody in the production, no one with any credibility in Hollywood or the government has come forward to say it's debunked. And this is exactly how I can tell you with proof that it's been debunked. Nobody in 25 years. You mean to tell me
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Matt, I know you're going to, you're going to agree with me on this. You mean to tell me in 25 years, the guy that made the puppet isn't at a pool party and Calabasas trying to impress the Kardashian girls or some, some girl trying to pick up some girl at a pool party. And you know, that, that, that video, that alien, I did the doll. Nobody can figure out how I did it. And, um,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, even like last week, we had a superimposed image of the film. People said, well, the aliens, black eyes, all this piece of glass or just a glass ball. We did a reverse imagery, like an X-ray of the film. You see the pupils of the eye in back of these black eyes. light reflecting lenses, because they're light sensitive, of two eyeballs.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And you see the pupil getting bigger and smaller, bigger and smaller as the torchlight is shined in the eyes by the medic or it encounters the light that is above the being. We have pupils dilating on this being. Why would an animatronic person put eyeballs in back of black glass? Nobody's gonna see that or realize that. They wouldn't know that 25 years later we could prove that it was pupils.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, this guy smoking his marbles with his flannel shirt on it. How many of the seven, 800 men and women who have come forward again, find salt over the earth people to tell you this is real and they're covering up. How many more people does it take? I don't know. Uh, frankly, I'm exasperated, but, uh, uh, you know, uh, I think we finally have seen light poke through that disclosure tunnel.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And when I had all of this information together, I vetted my sources and no one was coming forward. I took my investigation to Congressman Burchett. I flew to Washington, D.C. I handed this investigation, the internal report, all of the witnesses, the names, the provenance, who Victor was, what occupation he did. He was a biologist.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I handed it to Congressman Tim Burchett's office, who was running and ran the subcommittee hearings on the United States government and UFO and UAP and alien attacks. a phenomenon, which was yesterday. And this investigation is submitted into the one gigatetabyte packet from Dr. Stephen Greer. It's a part of the Disclosure Project.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And hopefully I can have some sort of documentary where we come out with all these names. We go in a deeper dive on all these names and bring forth some of the witnesses who would be willing to talk on camera. And I can just kind of package this whole thing together And show the world that, for lack of a better term, in my opinion, I have proven the second greatest question in mankind.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, are we alone? No. And does the government know about it? Absolutely.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Tom Coleman was the CEO of Rocket Pitchers. I don't know how many more times he could write and tell me on the phone or on Zoom, John, we did not hire this actor. We didn't produce that film. The director who did both documentaries, let me talk about the second documentary. If this is a, albeit for you, if this is a hoaxer, Victor, then he's the best one I've ever seen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But the director, Jeff Broadstreet, who did both documentaries, he's almost like frustrated at this point. He's like, how many times can I tell you? Victor was a government biologist. He brought in this film. I didn't make up this production of an alien of that alien you see in the film. Yes, they did a B-roll recreation alien to show people before they showed the real film.
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He said, I was not part. I do not know anyone that was part of that filming. And he goes, John, if it was, it's the worst filming ever. It's one shot. You know, the two military men in the foreshadow, their shoulders come into the view. People have asked why wasn't it a three camera shot? They've had these beans since 1947. I was told by a military person and he pantomimed this for me. It's like,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, oh, okay, the bean's sitting down. Hal, do you have the camera ready? Okay, roll camera. All right, start asking questions. I don't mind to be disrespectful to these beans, but it's old hat by now. They didn't need a three-camera shoot. They just needed to film this for documentation. It doesn't, just like to some degree, the alien autopsy, which could be a hoax.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You're not there for a Hollywood production. You're just there to shoot and be a documentarian of what the action is going on. whether it's blurry or out of focus. And by the way, this was never out of focus, was never blurry. Nobody tried to dissuade you. And people have asked me, why is the room so dark? It wasn't dark in the original VHS tape. It was bluish kind of grainy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The production company darkened the film for dramatic effect. And I know that probably wasn't the best thing to do, but I have The film, it's bluish color. It's on YouTube. And it's shocking. You see the bean's arms. You see its chest. This was not a darkened room to hide a puppeteer, believe me. And, you know, so it's now with Congress.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And, you know, I'm hopefully will be called at some point in the future for a congressional hearing to tell what I know and tell the entire provenance of the film. Now, here's the other one. In 08, 10 years later, Victor comes back for a second documentary. He's livid. Now, Matthew, listen to my words, because this is where I want you to mentally unpack this. If this is a charlatan, he comes back.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Certainly yesterday with David Grush's and Congress's testimony and hearings where we wanted to get to the bottom of aliens and UFOs. And about 20 times it was said, Congresswoman, I will tell you that in private. Congressman, I can tell you that, but only in a skiff room. Congressman, I'll tell you that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He is livid. I risk my life. my career, my pension to help the UFO world and to tell the American people what is going on with the government. And not one UFO researcher has done any, this is an 08, has done any kind of a serious investigation of my film, of the alien. Prove it's a puppet. Prove that it's real. Prove who I am.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And Jeff Broadstreet, the director says, well, many people in the UFO world, listen to this, many people in the UFO world Believe that it's real. Victor gets pissed at that statement. He goes, I don't want people to take it at face value. That's all they're doing is taking it at face value. And these charlatans affects people, these egomaniacs that I could have built that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Victor says, well, build one. Build one that looks and moves exactly like that alien in the picture. Now, I don't know about you, but I don't know many charlatans that come back out and go, come on, come on, prove me wrong. Prove the film. And mad at people. Now, if I was a Charlotte, I would say, yeah, people believe me. Here's who believe me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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This guy is mad at the people that believe him because in his words, they're just taking it at face value. He said he's dying in the second follow-up documentary. He says to look up where Donald Rumsfeld was on Easter of 1998. I did that through the Rumsfeld Foundation.
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He was having dinner in Taos, New Mexico, which is coincidentally the nearby home of the Dulce base, which whether is real or not. I did everything Victor asked, you know, where is the person that is going to do the deep dive on this and prove it right or wrong? Authentic. Or hoax. And I did just that. And I just don't feel that a charlatan would come out and egg people on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And also what people don't understand, right before the original documentary, Victor goes on the Art Bell program, radio show, unrehearsed. unscripted questions and sits there for an hour and a half. I've never heard someone speak this intelligently before in my life about the program, the people, the facility, the beans themselves. It was remarkable.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So if this guy's a charlatan, I tell you what, he wasn't a Hollywood actor. So who was this Victor who didn't drive, was retired in his late fifties, who brought out this hundred to $150,000 production of an alien being? And then comes back to challenge people that that doesn't pass the litmus test as being a hoax.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But off camera, you know, just just this whole thing continues to mock our loyalty and belittle our citizenship. And I really mean that. And I'm not an anti-government guy. I'm not an anti-military military guy. But the people are getting fed up.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I can, I can unpack that a little bit. Um, through anecdotal stories and a photo, we believe the first body of a being, of an extraterrestrial being, happened in the 30s. Dr. Stephen Greer has this bizarre autopsy photo of a bizarre creature in military men and OSI agents, people, men in suits standing by and taking a picture with this.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The, you know, the holy grail of ufology was in 1947 when two craft crashed over the area, basically, of Roswell, New Mexico. Two? Four beings were inside the craft that crashed. Three were dead, taken to Fort Worth. One was alive, and that was taken to Los Alamos Laboratories, where it lived until 1951 or 2. For the past 80 years, there have been numerous crash and crash retrievals
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The crash retrieval program, there's two of them. One is called Project Pounce and one is called Project Star, S-T-A-A-R. These are the retrieval programs of special Air Force servicemen who go out at a moment's notice to retrieve the craft and any other occupants or pilots. And this has been going on since 1947. And it's a great question.
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This bean, we think, I cannot prove this, and I don't have any evidence to prove, but this is what I've been told, that this bean came from a crash in the Kalahari Desert in 1989. And Victor said that the bean came to this facility In 1989. And the other being of that crash went to the super secret facility underground at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And Wright-Patterson is very important because it was the material foreign materials division. If they had a crash plane in the 40s, it was taken there to dissect and, you know, reverse engineer, so to speak. So right, Pat, please, a very important key to this whole thing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Matthew, we have anecdotal stories where there's so many crashes and so many bodies that bodies are stored at Homestead Air Force Base in Florida. Michael's Airfield, the new home of Area 51 at the Dugway Proving Grounds. Sandia Labs at a time on the basement facility at Walter Reed Hospital. Fort Worth Army Airfield, of course, initially at the Roswalt Airfield in 1947.
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And in a couple of other facilities that I am not not privy to. So but the new high tech area, the new Area 51 is the Dugway Proving Grounds, which is part of Michael's Airfield or Army Airfield is part of, and coincidentally, Sandia Labs has a huge facility on that base also.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Sure. Grew up in Chicago, born in 1967, 70s kid. I tell everybody that Chicago television completely made me, you know, a little goofy and a little crazy. You know, we had the, you know, we had a show, a kid's show where a guy, you know, molded clay and the clay mound talked. Watching Dick the Bruiser pro wrestling on Sundays and Captain Kangaroo, a guy that came on with the Dictators. I
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Great question. From three people that were either in that facility, dealt with the beans or were at, you know, on top level of that facility. One of the reasons the government is not coming out and saying, here you go, folks, we have aliens is even after 80 years, they're still not quite convinced of what the nature is, how many species there are.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And when the government doesn't know something fully about, they usually don't project that and tell the people, yeah, we have species of beings here and we have no idea what the real reason that they're here for.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And according to people down there, so this is an anecdotal story, but, you know, from Victor, from Captain Dan Burrish, who was a pathologist at level S4, is that Victor believed that some of the beings that have allowed themselves to be shot, to be acquired, to be targeted, to crash.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And he gives the example, almost like Jesus Christ coming on to our planet, knowing that he's going to be crucified. I think that was a really good analogy that Victor said. And we also have developed technology, a beam-like technology back in the 80s of targeting, acquiring, targeting and engaging these craft in bringing them down.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the 1947, the infamous Roswell crash, you know, Richard Doty now tells people, and this is backed up by other people, is that the United States government, and Stephen Greer even backs this up, and him and Doty, you know, are not, you know, on the same team, so to speak, that in 1947, the government first turned on this type of radar,
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was so powerful that in conjunction with an electrical storm caused interference with these beings' craft. You know, people say, well, they're 10,000 years advanced of us.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, also to the adages, folks, I believe, and look at America and look at the world today, the more technically advanced you are, you know, the more susceptible you are to very minor things, you know, knocking out your entire
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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your entire system i mean look what can take down the world now a computer bug a coronal ejection from the sun can wipe out all all mankind in a matter of 90 days so it is you know these beings well i was i was actually thinking about i mean let's face it you can have you can have all the high-tech equipment you want you can have you know
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right. And Matthew, people have said, well, you know, and forgive me when I make fun of the Internet keyboard warriors, but, you know, they deserve the criticism at times for their ad hominem attacks. Well, you know, why is it stories are different? Why beings are here? Why are there some crash? Some get captured. You know, some abduct people. I say that the world is like the Amazon in 1820.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Did British explorers go there for science? Yes. Did British explorers go there for geography? Yes. Did British explorers go there for zoology and to capture all kinds of animal life and maybe tag it and analyze it? Yes. Okay. Did some people from Britain or around the world go to the Amazon in the 1800s? or recreation and vacation and adventure? Yes. Well, why are we different?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I know it's an ego deflation that we are no longer sitting on top of the food chain, that these beans are on top of the food chain. You know, they're the DNR, the Department of Natural Resources, and we're the deer. You know, they're tagging our ear. As people say, they got devices in them to track them. They're extracting semen and ova from human beings like we do to animals.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Jacket on, watching Evel Knievel, you know, stock car racing. You know, I mean, it was just a TV totally changed my perception and view of life. I was a college football player for University of Memphis. I left that to become a professional wrestler at 19, still in college. I was a professional wrestler on and off for 20 years. My biggest mainstay was on ESPN for the AWA.
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Sometimes the capture and tagging goes well. Sometimes it doesn't go well and people or animals die. We're the farm. We're the wildlife now. And I know that's an ego blow, but I've come to grips with it and I can deal with it. And I think other people should too. So there's a variant, in my opinion, reason why these beings are coming here.
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Another thing, why did we go to Egypt or Africa in the 1800s to mine gold and silver and precious metals? Well, why can't they? Gold is an incredible astrophysical metal that is great for space travel and space applications. We know that from NASA. Why wouldn't they come here and try to mine our gold? What makes them so special and angelic?
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You know, so the reasons why they crashed, why they abduct, why they're here, I think, is the, you know, the British explorer in the Amazon River analogy. I think it's I think it's a perfect representation of the who and why. And and maybe nobody will ever know the full total truth. And I'm going to try and jar people here, maybe piss a couple of people off. I want to do that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm not a revolutionary. I'm not an interloper. I want to help the military come out of the closet with this. I want this to be clear because I know military people, intelligence people listen to all these podcasts. I've been told that by now, 10 people. And I want to be clear. I want to jar the American public who's listening to this because this should piss you off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Scott Walter is a TV star of a show called American on Earth on the History Channel. Let me get back in better view.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. Scott goes on camera about a year and a half ago saying that he's really interested in the UFO phenomenon and, like me, gets contacted by somebody in the program. And this gentleman worked at Wright-Patt for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center. And he claimed that he was in the know of this alien phenomenon. Became very good friends with Scott.
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Scott vetted him, met with him, had dinner with him. And for nine months, Scott tried to convince this person to do an interview with me and to maybe do an interview on camera to appear on my documentary if I ever want out. So he called me up and very nice young man. I want people to very, very nice, polite young man. And we were talking.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, he says that the black strips over some of the beings' eyes are a biological light lens reflector. But he said something bizarre. He said, I'm going to tell you something. You're probably one of the only few civilians that know this. And I'm going to tell you this now. You're listeners now on this show. He told me the new designation.
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that the United States government who deals with this phenomenon and subcontractors have for extraterrestrials. It's saber like a sword, synthetic astrobiological extraterrestrial races. And he said, you know, no one knows that. He goes, you tell a general that you had a cocktail party in Washington that's maybe read into these programs that an acronym.
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And, you know, they're going to look like they swallowed a peach pit. And so I'm like, well, I really appreciate your trusting me with that. And I thank you. And he said, send me the questions for your documentary and I will submit it to my commanding officer. So I'm assuming that he's probably military. And I will get back to you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I submitted 20 questions that were very explosive, that came point blank. Does the government have alien bodies and craft? Do you know of that personally? Am I in trouble? What else does the government know about aliens and extraterrestrials? He ghosted me for three months. And I'm worried because this guy's a bonafide military person. in an alien program at Wright-Patt.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So I finally just, after three months, I texted Scott Walter. I'm like, Scott, this is crazy. I wanna know, is this man alive? Is he in trouble? And I guess more importantly, am I in trouble? Is my life in danger? Why would he ghost me? And about two hours later, Holden, that was his nickname, his name that he gave himself, which is from Catcher in the Rye, Text me back.
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Many of my matches are on YouTube. You know, wrestled everybody. My biggest rivalry was Sergeant Slaughter. And that was a great time. And got out of wrestling and started in the family car business. I had an automobile dealership. And in between all of that, got married, three lovely children, still married, and ran for Congress in 99, ran for Illinois governor in 2016.
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And now it's this aggressive purse. Matter of fact, text with all these coding. He was such a gentleman. It was almost like somebody from the DOD or a higher up wrote this for him. You put this now and you send this to Jon Stewart. We're going to stop that. You know, we're going to stop that jerk right off. We're going to cut his legs off metaphorically.
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And it said, I am been commanded by someone higher than my CEO to to cease and desist all contact with you. I am asking you, you are not to cut, drop, share this text message. You are no longer to contact me. And this should piss you off.
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You are now on a special government watch list due to your frequent and the nature of your FOIA requests, your overseas emails, and the nature of your questionnaire that you submitted to the National Air and Space Intelligence Center.
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And beneath that, Matthew, is this bizarre – all I can say is, like, Department of Defense coding, under Regulation 227515, stroke A, recopying of this text message is firmly – you know, you – I'm mixing up the word firmly, you know, admonished by the United States Department of Defense. All of these anacronyms in weird letter, you know, letters jumbled together. I'm like, how am I reading?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like it came from somebody from the military. I called Doty two hours later. Just is Doty knows all this nomenclature. Doty was livid that this guy was told to tell me I'm on a special watch list. Rick Doty, this counterintelligence guy was like such a proponent for me. He's like, that's illegal. He goes, that's illegal. How dare they say that to you?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
That that's a disgrace that the military would tell an American citizen that they're on some kind of special watch list. You know, it's the first time I ever angered or saw this mild mannered Richard Doty get completely you know, come totally unglued. And I'm asking the American people,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
They're extracting semen and ova from human beings like we do to animals. Sometimes the capture and tagging goes well. Sometimes it doesn't go well.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Do you feel a little bothered that a 56 year old grandfather who's just trying to find the truth about a film that they accidentally let out 25 years ago that I'm putting on a special watch list? It's crazy. We live in a constitutional Republic. I don't live in Stalingrad in 1943 and I certainly don't live in Berlin in 1944. Um, That was really troublesome.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the fact that this man was told to ghost me, and I initially thought he was David Grush, but I was told by Scott that he is not the David Grush that came forward. But that was really troubling. That was really the only time in this investigation where I was truly upset and worried and pissed off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I think people out there listening, they should be equally bothered by someone from the Pentagon telling me, you're on a special watch list, you know. I even get distressed relating the story again. But that was it. That's really the investigation in a nutshell.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Oh, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
It was a hearing by the United States Congress to clear the air and come clean with the American people about the UFO, UAP, alien phenomenon. And 27 times in the hearings it was said, wait, What was that? Yeah, I can't.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Right. We want to come clean. We want the American people to trust the government. So that's why we're letting 37 times say, I can't tell you that right now, Congressman. I have to tell you in private. I can only tell you that Congresswoman is skiff a secure room. I can only tell you that off camera. I can show you the documents, but I can't tell you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
I mean, that was supposed to make everyone believe that Congress is coming clean? Stop mocking our citizenship and belittling us. Please, don't have them in private. Don't have people come out and say in front of the American people, I can't talk about that. I'll tell you in private. Wink. You know, give me a break.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And then it was a replacement candidate for the Libertarian Party for Illinois Secretary of State, which I had no intention of running anymore. And that was... that was last year. And I did run for Senate. Um, and then the, the, uh, Illinois, uh, Republican party said I needed $5 million. This was to go against Barack Obama.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I think that because there was no rivets, there was no propulsion system in back or wings. You know, even though the government has reproduction, alien craft, you know, you still see rivets, you still see seams, you still see some sort of propulsion in the back.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
that the fact that these TikToks were defying gravity and upwards of 60,000 feet in one second did not have any seams or visible propulsion, that that was indeed a craft from an exotic or unknown origin. And what David Grush was choking on his words on News Nation is, is the fact that some of these beings in craft, folks, as crazy as this sounds, are interdimensional.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Let me give you an anecdotal story. I'm at a coffee shop. I'm being shown these photos of these beings. I said, what is P55,000? What's P42,000? We have 42,000 aliens? And the military person says, no, that's not how many we have. The 42,000 means that's a being from 42,000 years into the human lineage future. I'm like, can you unpack that for me? And I know he was unpacking a lot.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Can you explain that? He's like, John, aliens are not from our human lineage. They're from other galaxies, other planets, other star systems. When we call beings ETs, those are beings from the human lineage. Now, human lineage also has been transplanted on other solar systems and star systems and whatnot. And also these beings, some of them are interdimensional beings.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And this is being proven that travel interdimensionally is possible, is theoretically possible. So when this person was telling me that I'm looking at a photo of a bean from 42,000 years into our future, you know, very disconcerting. It was mind boggling to me. The information that I was a coffee shop. I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say the name was a coffee shop in Chicago. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Oh, I love meeting witnesses at coffee shops and restaurants. I love eating, as people can tell with my double chin. And Matthew, it helps with the breakdown of formality and trust and whatnot. They can see how I treat a waitress. I can see how they treat a waitress. I can see their eyes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And when they're eating or drinking a cup of coffee, you can really wade somebody and do the sniff test and tell if they're telling you the truth or not. So yeah, I love meeting people at restaurants and coffee shops and diners and stuff.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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show you my investigative prowess. I'm not bragging. I'm just something to think about. Two broke, financially broke men in England put together that film. Okay, great. It was shot on 1947 Kodak film stock, 16 millimeter. And can someone explain how two broke people in London rented a World War II era hangar, air, air, air, uh,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And they told Chicago bears football coach, Mike Dick, uh, you need 5 million. John Stewart needs 5 million or don't even think about running. And six, six weeks later, they, they pick Alan keys. Who's, you know, it was a crazy man, uh, to fill the vacancy to run as a candidate. And, uh, that's when I left, became a libertarian and in, um, 2019.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Air Force hangar, rented five Jeeps, made six bodies of aliens, had 15 people in period 1940s army attire and military police attire, along with six stretchers, and filmed that production for the last five seconds of the alien autopsy. Don't believe me. I want your viewers to tell me if the alien autopsy is a total hoax. How could two people, again, it's just like my film.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
How can two broke guys, financially broke guys in London, have a $40,000 production where they're renting an airplane hangar with beans on stretchers and people in period clothes. Does that make any sense to anyone? And to build one of those things. I don't know about the alien autopsy, but I know about the last five seconds.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And if you're going to tell me that that isn't a real shot from the 40s of five extraterrestrial humanoid-looking beings being laid on the ground in front of an Air Force hangar, sorry. Sorry, I'm not buying it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I just, you know, I just want to say in a recap, thank you sincerely for having me on your program. I thank you to your listeners. You know, I know at times I seem exuberant and people said I have crazy eyes at times. Hey, look, I'm excited that after five years, I'm done with this investigation that I think that I proved a really important cover up in human history.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
I'm excited that I can finally spend quality time with my wife and and my daughters, and I'm excited to bring it to you. So I'm sorry for exuberance. And people have said, well, he talks like he's been debriefed by the government. I have been debriefed by the government. Remember, military intelligence insiders retired, came to me and debriefed me, read me into these programs.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And this program, so we can be clear, the overall program to study all things aliens and the phenomenon is From 1947 is majestic. The program at this facility where this film was shot is called Project Aquarius.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And that is all things with aliens, the back engineering, reverse engineering of craft, the examination of biological tissue, the examination of beings, what they say, what they thought project. and, and their propulsion, their guidance systems, their life support systems, so on and so forth. That is called project Aquarius. And so, you know, take this, you know, listen to the anecdotal stories.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Don't so much focus on the film. Although when you do focus on it, zoom in, this creature has shows emotion at the end. He almost looks exasperated when they're wiping the fluid from his mouth and his lower lip does a, you know, a curved down arch. Um, That had to be hard animatronically to do back then and to do it instantaneously. And I offer people, do your own homework, do your own research.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I sincerely thank you for listening to me. And we will solve this situation and this phenomenon. I truly think that this is going to bring the American people together. And if you want to use this as a TikTok clip, then let me say this, and I'm going to speak very clearly and not mince my words. I'm going to tell you something right now.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Matthew, when I had my first time off, that wasn't due to injury or vacation. I am a self-admitted and I'm not proud of it workaholic. I had some time off and was my conscious or just like my interest, my alpha male said, you know that video that has always bothered you since 1997? Why don't you go figure out something about it? You got four hours today. Let's go figure out something about it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
When the underserved and the minority communities of this country finally start paying attention, to the congressional hearings and realizing that $8 trillion of their money, money that could have been used for homeschooling, daycare, recreation centers, college education, transportation for single mothers and the elderly, help with medicine and tuition.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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When the underserved of this country, and I'm one of them, gets wind and starts paying attention that their government offered away $8 trillion to study tissue of aliens and reproduce alien craft, you are going to see some sort of a bloodless revolution take place in this country.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And I want to tell the congressmen and subcontractors who have been lying about this, when that happens, they're not coming to my house. They're going to come to yours. And you remember what I'm saying here. And I am not threatening anyone. I am warning people in the government. Let's come lean now. Let's avoid the revolt. Thank you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
No, Matthew, they don't know where it went. We don't know what happened to $3 trillion. We're sorry.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And that is when Again, in 2019, I put the pedal to the metal and started an investigation, a self-funded, totally journalistic credibility and methodology to study this film. Who simply find if it was real or a hoax? And if it was a hoax, did Hollywood do it or the government do it? I don't think a lot of people are expecting me to save the government, but they do do magic, it's called.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
It's Donald Rumsfeld. You know, a day before 9-11, the government. the Pentagon can account for some $3 trillion. And a plane hits the Pentagon exactly in the accounting room where this counting error occurred. No suspicion on that. Don't worry about it. Let's move on. Let's see what's on Wheel of Fortune tonight.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
It's a joke. It's an insult. It's part of what propelled me to keep going. When people laughed at me and people were boasting me and maligning me, you know, If we can't have financial accountability to the people that pay the bills, you and I, you know, and that's another thing that one military intelligence insider told me. He's like, John Stewart owns S4.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
You know, Matthew Cox owns part of that B-52. We own the building. We own the chairs Congress sits on. You work for us. It's not a cliche. You work for us. I go out and work my butt off in the automobile industry and in real estate and the stock market to pay taxes to pay for all of this. You work for me. You know, and now... And a real, you know, the Pentagon's smart.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
Now it's been said that all of this material, biological and craft and metals, is all with private contractors and corporations. Why? Because you can't FOIA them. They have a right to privacy. The generals are like, we're done. Oh, it's in with my buddies. And when I retire, I'm going to go work for EG&G, Raytheon and Boeing. And I have no problem with that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
I have no problem with, you know, somebody going to get a job that, you know, EG&G or Raytheon when they were, I have no problem with that. But let's keep everything on the up and up. And now, now let's come out and tell the people about this. But all of it's with corporations. You can't FOIA. Well done, boys. Well done. Got to hand it to you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
I will. And I'm going to send you the, the superimposition, the x-ray view where you see the pupils of the eyeballs behind the black eyes. I will, when I get done with this and get out of this grant podcast room, I will, I will send you, I will send email you the links. We'll do.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And that's when I started the deep dive into this completely bizarre film, this two-minute, 56-second film of alleged interrogation, a thought projection, questioning, I like to say. I don't like interrogation, of an off-planet being, an Eben, E-B-E-N, extraterrestrial biological entity.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And for five years, with the help of military intelligence insiders, with the help of UFO experts, with the help of ordinary American people, I believe with all journalistic credibility that I have solved the provenance of this film.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
It was 97. And I tell everybody and I don't try to impress people. I'm trying to impress upon you. why this has grabbed me. Matt, I'm living in downtown Chicago, high rise. I'm dating this beautiful, sexy blonde who's my wife now, 23 years later, driving a black Porsche. I got a boat on Lake Michigan. I'm wrestling part-time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm an automobile dealer, wholesaling, exporting, you know, just this crazy, exciting life. I'm running for state rep in Illinois. Also my first four way into politics. And this, this documentary comes on, you know, alien interview.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And I'm thinking, well, it's going to be like a weird looking human handing a clipboard over to a general at the Pentagon on a closed circuit camera, you know, interview. And I see it, you know, 20 minutes into the documentary, I see this unprofessional non-Hollywood produced continuous three minutes shot of of a gray alien. Here's the problem. It's not gray. It's tan.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
It doesn't have the gray almond eyes. It's got round eyes. The mouth is moving, opening and closing, just this little slit, which I thought even back then, animatronically, to do it that fast would have been really, really hard. The two doctors come in when this being becomes in distress. They come in in short-sleeved scrubs and masks and gloves on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And it said, I am been commanded by someone higher than my CEO to cease and desist all contact with you. I am asking you, you are not to cut, share this text message, you are no longer to contact me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
You know, if I was hoaxing this, I'd have them in biocontainment suits. And then there's two shadows, two people in the foreground that are sometimes getting their shoulders in the camera angle. I'm like, this is either the worst hoax on planet Earth or it's so bad that it's got to be, there's got to be some provenance that this is authentic.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And when you hear Victor, this is the whistleblower that came forward to this video production company and said, look, I've got this three-minute film. I'm a former government employee. I was down in this facility. I want to expose what's called the Alien Interrogation and Retention Program. Here's the video. You know, they interviewed him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And on top of everything else, I've never heard someone speak more intelligently in my life. He makes a statement that You know, do we get a lot of information from these beings, you know, from at night from 97 and back? And he says, you know, minor technical, you know, bits and pieces of information. And the communication is hard because the aliens are about 10,000 years advanced than us.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And they're trying to thought projection their views or the modalities of physics and gravity to us. And we just have our own conception of physics. And he says it's like putting calculus into the screets and groans. And growls of a chimpanzee. And how advanced these beings are. It's like us handing a CD-ROM and a CD player.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
To somebody in 1820, you know, they would hear the music and think it was magic. And that's about how these beings have come across to to us. He says that it's that it's at the the whole program is one big ego deflation for the scientists that they can't understand these concepts that, you know, they thought they knew everything about physics and propulsion and. and gravity and space and time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And they can't even grasp the concepts, most of them, of the beings. And it's a huge ego deflation. And one thing I always forget to talk about is that there was a small cabal of people inside this facility. The facility is called S2 Alpha. And And it was the Site 2 Alpha, and the A is for Annex, Annex 2. This is where this alien retention and interrogation program took place.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You are now on a special government watch list due to your frequent and the nature of your FOIA requests, your overseas emails, and the nature of your questionnaire that you submitted to the National Air and Space Intelligence Center.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
1971.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
1969?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And he said the security measures were so draconian. And we heard this from Bob Lazar, whether Bob was down there or not, I don't know. We heard this from a century guard who came forward a year before Bob Lazar, that it was just the security was like so draconian, so over the top.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And this cabal of five people conspired together in Las Vegas, you know, out because this facility was located about 10 miles south of Area 51, to sneak out some sort of data, whether it be material, photos, reports, or film. And the film is what they actually snuck out.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
And also a dossier called the United States government's, the United States government's examination of extraterrestrial life, huge docket, which has never surfaced, but this film did. And Jeff Broadstreet, the director of the documentary, spent three weeks vetting Victor to see if he was a Hollywood actor. And 25 years later, the director still tells everybody, look, we didn't hire this guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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We didn't make up this video. And Jeff eloquently says, explain to me how a retired government employee that didn't drive on a government pension in 1996 because that's when he came to the office. How did he make $150,000 production, hire animatronic experts and craft catering and rent the stage to shoot all this?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
UFO Whistleblower EXPOSES Government Cover-Up & Alien Secrets
How did a government scientist on a retired pension who didn't drive, how did he accomplish that? That just doesn't seem real. And it's the Occam's razor. The simplest explanation to all of this is that the government filmed it This film was cleverly taken out of Area 51, and I know how now, and I will get into that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned-out bank account in his wake, he vanished.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
Boziak's stranger-than-fiction tale of ingenious scams and impossible escapes, of brazen run-ins with the law and secret desires to straighten out and settle down, makes his story a true crime con game that will keep you guessing. Bent. How a homeless teen became one of the cybercrime industry's most prolific counterfeiters. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
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Tarasini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture.
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Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, were murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Rossini at Leavenworth Penitentiary. And another story emerged.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Inside Outlaw Biker Gangs | ATF Agent Shares Insane Stories
A tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew. The truth. And Robert Mueller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil Exposed. A twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Inside Outlaw Biker Gangs | ATF Agent Shares Insane Stories
But Chris... Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state, and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's most wanted list and led the U.S.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Inside Outlaw Biker Gangs | ATF Agent Shares Insane Stories
Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Businessweek called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the Housing Pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
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Bent is the story of John J. Boziak's phenomenal life of crime. Inked from head to toe, with an addiction to strippers and fast Cadillacs, Boziak was not your typical computer geek. He was, however, one of the most cunning scammers, counterfeiters, identity thieves, and escape artists alive, and a major thorn in the side of the US Secret Service as they fought a war on cybercrime.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How He Pulled Off a $17 Million Robbery | The Loomis Fargo Bank Heist
With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld, with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned-out bank account in his wake, he vanished.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How He Pulled Off a $17 Million Robbery | The Loomis Fargo Bank Heist
Boziak's stranger than fiction tale of ingenious scams and impossible escapes, of brazen run-ins with the law and secret desires to straighten out and settle down, makes his story a true crime con game that will keep you guessing. Bent. How a homeless teen became one of the cybercrime industry's most prolific counterfeiters. Available now on Amazon and Audible.