John Kiriakou

So over the long term, I just think that no country is able to keep this this up.

Australia should do what's right for Australia, regardless of of American political pressure.

And, you know, Australia is also blessed like the United States is with with oceans.

And so we have oceans that help to protect us.

Now, listen, I'm not a naif.

I understand that China is a strategic threat, that North Korea might be a strategic threat, that Australia is going to have to work with Japan and South Korea and the Philippines and Thailand and others to make the South Pacific as safe as possible.

But it's not the Chinese who have a history of hegemony in the region.

They just don't.

The Chinese, you know, except for Tibet aside, and a handful of little border skirmishes with the Indians and the Vietnamese, the Chinese don't invade other countries.

The United States invades other countries.

What about Taiwan?

I think that the Chinese really believe that Taiwan will someday be reunited with the mainland.

But I think the Chinese have a very long view.

It's a 5,000-year-old civilization.

I think that they are willing to look at this like the Hong Kong model.

rather than the invasion and occupation model.

It just doesn't make sense for them to do.

I think we are.

I struggle with the same things, Mark.

It's