John Kiriakou

And they literally just put him in a bathtub and filled it with ice and then just decided a couple of days later he started to turn.

We should probably bury this guy.

Yeah, it was ugly.

And the Justice Department never said anything about that.

They're like, oh, listen, you know, you can do these techniques.

And if you kill him, just bury him out back.

Yeah.

And that wasn't the that wasn't the approved operation.

That's that's the worst part of this.

No, none of it was effective.

You know, I say this all the time, Joe.

It's like a kick in my gut to have to compliment the FBI.

But if there's one thing that the FBI is really good at, it's interrogations.

They've been doing interrogations effectively since the Nuremberg trials in 45 and 46.

These guys know what they're doing.

And so with Abu Zubaydah as an example, we captured Abu Zubaydah.

And normally overseas, the CIA has primacy.

Domestically, the FBI has primacy.

But 9-11 was still an open criminal investigation.

And so we sent Abu Zubaydah out to the secret site and the FBI took over.