John Kiriakou

Nobody cares.

Radio, people like listening to baseball.

So Dish Network, when it began...

when it began selling services in Florida, found that there was this just narrow swath along the shore on the west coast of Florida where you could pick up TV martini.

That's illegal.

You can't propagandize the American people.

As Americans, we're not allowed to watch our own government's propaganda.

So instead of telling Dish Network, well, you're going to have to like move your satellite or do something or pixelate it or whatever, said, no, no, no, we'll change the law.

And so in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2016, the Obama administration said, no, no, we can propagandize Americans now.

And so now radio, TV are no problem.

I mean, people put out propaganda all the time.

I went to Yemen in 2011 when I was with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, my fifth trip to Yemen.

Every time I'd go to Yemen, it's worse than the previous time.

So I have a meeting with a defense attache and he was so proud of this thing that he was doing, this PSYOP.

I hate that word, PSYOP.

I said, sure, what's your PSYOP?

And he goes, we're funding a radio station here

modeled on NPR and it plays American jazz.

And then it has a call-in show.

So young Yemeni guys can call in and talk about the jazz.