John Kiriakou

And nobody did.

The big ones were waterboarding, the cold cell, and sleep deprivation.

Sleep deprivation doesn't sound like any big deal.

And when that finally leaked, Don Rumsfeld, who was the Secretary of Defense at the time, made a statement that still kind of sticks in my mind.

He said,

There is no such thing as sleep deprivation.

He said, I have a standup desk in my office.

I don't even have a chair in my office.

And sometimes I'll work 24 hours and then into the next day, 36 hours.

But that's not what we're talking about here.

We know from the American Psychological Association that people begin to lose their minds at day seven with no sleep and they begin to die.

Their organs begin to shut down at day nine.

But the CIA was authorized to keep people awake for 12 days.

And that was another thing that caused prisoners to just die.

They would have heart failure, you know.

How do they keep them awake?

You chain them to that eye bolt in the ceiling again.

You have these industrial strength lights on them 24 hours a day and like death metal 24 hours on volume 11.

And they just can't sleep because if they collapse, they'll pull their arms out of their sockets.

They're chained to that eye bolt.