John Kiriakou

And his name was Mukhtar.

Abu Zubaydah laughed at us and said, you don't know who Mukhtar is?

And Ali said, no.

And Abu Zubaydah said, his name is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

That's the first time we ever heard that name.

We didn't have any documents in any files that were about any guy named Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

But that was the very first time we were able to piece it all together.

And it was thanks to Abu Zubaydah, in turn, thanks to Ali Soufan's treating Abu Zubaydah with respect.

But on August the 1st, George Tenet, 2002, George Tenet went to the White House and he asked the president for reasons that have never been made clear.

He asked the president to turn over primacy to the CIA.

He did that.

and the CIA director, Robert Mueller, to his credit, he knew exactly what was gonna come.

Not only withdrew FBI personnel from the secret site, he withdrew FBI personnel from the country that the secret site was in.

And within 12 hours, the CIA began to torture Abu Zubaydah.

He went completely silent and remained silent.

And then the FBI went back to the president and said, look, the CIA is screwing this up.

We were getting all this intelligence from this guy.

Now he won't say anything.

And we're putting him in a coffin.

And we heard that he had this irrational fear of bugs.