John Kiriakou

Yeah.

Primarily in Islamabad, but wherever we needed to do the raid, we went and did the raid.

I saw the four corners of Pakistan and everything in between.

And there were a lot of moving parts at the time.

You know, it wasn't just us operating in a bubble and trying to, you know, destroy Al Qaeda.

At the same time, the White House is working with the CIA to come up with what became a torture program, a rendition program, an archipelago of secret prisons all around the world.

And none of us had any idea that this was happening.

The first inkling that I got that something was up

was when the Pakistanis came to me one day, we had had several weeks, several very successful weeks of counterterrorism raids where we're just breaking down the door of al-Qaeda safe houses with battering rams and just grabbing everybody.

And the Paks came to me one day and said, listen,

The jail is full.

You've got to do something with all these guys.

We can't just hold these guys indefinitely.

So I called CIA headquarters, the counterterrorism center, and I said, the PACs came to me and said that the jail is full.

We were keeping everybody in the Rawalpindi jail outside of Islamabad.

They said the jail is literally full and they want these guys out.

What do you want me to do with them?

And they said, we want you to put them on a C-12 cargo plane

a transport plane and send them to Guantanamo.

And I said, Guantanamo, Cuba?