John Kiriakou
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Some of them are cowboys, and somebody's gonna kill a prisoner.
And then there's gonna be a congressional investigation, and then a Justice Department investigation, and somebody's gonna go to prison.
Do you wanna go to prison?
And I said, no, I don't wanna go to prison.
As it turned out, I was the only person who went to prison.
But I went back downstairs and I said, this is a torture program.
I have a moral and ethical problem with it.
I think it's illegal and I don't want to have anything to do with it.
And so they cut me out, which was fine.
I preferred to not
I preferred to not be read into the program.
But then on the strength of my work in Pakistan, I was promoted and I was named the executive assistant to the CIA's deputy director.
And in that position, I had access to literally everything that the CIA was doing around the world.
And it was on August 2nd that we began torturing Abu Zubaydah, who was the first high-value prisoner that we had.
I led his capture in Faisalabad, Pakistan in March, March 28th.
Yeah, you know, I was standing on a coffee table in the safe house with 60 people arrayed in front of me, and I said, listen, the orders are to take them alive.
Do not shoot them.
And of course, as soon as...
The proverbial shit hits the fan.
A Pakistani policeman just opens fire and shoots him three times with an AK-47 in the thigh, the groin and the stomach.