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John Lisle

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1560 total appearances

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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

And he had been a businessman who had done imports and exports in Tokyo.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

So he knew Japanese culture.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

He knew the religious beliefs.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

The OSS wanted to exploit that by trying to find a way we can โ€“

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

We can demoralize the Japanese.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

You know a lot about the Japanese psyche, the idea was, Ed Salinger.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

So figure out a way we can demoralize the Japanese and make them basically give up this war because, you know, they're dug in.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

We need to find a way that we can basically use psychological warfare on them.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

So his idea is that in the Shinto religion, there are these kind of mystical figures called kitsune.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

And in many cases, they take the form of like a fox, a glowing fox.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

And oftentimes they represent portents of doom.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

So, you know, if you see one of these kitsune, it's an indication that something bad is about to happen.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

And so Salinger knew, what if we can artificially create kitsune, spread them around Japan, then all these Japanese soldiers are going to see them and think, oh, that's a portent of doom.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

Surely it means we're going to lose the war.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

Therefore, we might as well lay down our arms right now.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

And so Salinger, initially his idea is we're going to create whistles that can make fox sounds, and we're going to distribute them across Japan to our agents there, and they can blow these whistles like anyone would recognize a fox sound.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

He had the idea that we're going to create...

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2419 - John Lisle

artificial fox odors and spread it around places, and people are going to think that it's the kitsune foxes that are walking around.