John Lisle

For what?

To ruin these lives and we didn't even learn that much out of it?

And so he destroyed the files.

Wow.

And didn't face any repercussions.

So in addition to external oversight, there's got to be some internal oversight that can provide a check and prevent that from happening.

Or if it does happen, at least deter others from doing the same thing by holding them accountable.

It is.

It is.

You know, it's a brilliant system.

And I quote James Madison, actually, when I talk about oversight, because his specific verbiage is, you know, auxiliary precautions.

Humans, he says, men aren't angels.

Therefore, auxiliary precautions are necessary to keep their ambitions in check.

Which means external oversight, which is like, he's exactly right.

I will say a counterintuitive point that I think is important to also make, though, is Daniel Shore was a CBS News correspondent, and he's the guy who initially broke the story on CIA assassination attempts on foreign leaders.

He has this quote about how the U.S.

has a, you know, there's a pendulum that swings between security and liberty.

You know, the more security you have, the more liberty basically you have to take away.

You can be infinitely secure, but that means that the government would be inside your house and know everything about you and prevent you from doing anything.

But nothing bad would happen.