John Lisle

And, you know, it's just some of the stories that come out of it are very interesting.

Silly and really just insane.

But there is one document I found that talks about how they were giving these two army personnel, these two soldiers, LSD to see how they reacted to it.

And so each of them took the LSD.

They were in like a padded room, isolated with each other.

So nobody else was there.

and they started hallucinating, and one of them pretended to, like, start smoking a cigarette.

He didn't actually have a cigarette.

He had nothing, you know, but he just pretended to smoke a cigarette, and the other guy was off in his own world.

And then the first guy, he reached into his pocket and took out an imaginary pack of cigarettes.

He didn't actually have one.

It was just an empty hand, but he was just hallucinating that there was one.

And he reached it out to the other guy, basically to offer, hey, do you want a cigarette?

And the other guy looked at it, and he said, no, I couldn't take your last one.

It was just an empty hand.

What?

No, I couldn't take your last one.

It was a shared hallucination or something.

That's kind of the motivation for MKUltra in the first place.

There are several motivating factors.