John Mackey

So that's how I blend it together.

It's hard to say because, you know, it's like you're on a journey for books, and so books have different impacts.

I remember early on,

Once I discovered Peter Drucker, a management theorist, I read all Peter Drucker's management books.

And his magnus opus was management, practices, task, something else.

It was a big, thick book.

That became sort of a Bible for me for a while.

I read that book several times.

It was very well earmarked.

Another book on business ethics had a huge impact on me.

A former philosophy professor I studied under at University of Texas, Robert C. Solomon, Bob Solomon, his book was called Ethics and Excellence.

I probably read that book a dozen times and it had a huge impact on me.

So different books along the way have had a big impact on me.

And also I read a lot of business biographies of entrepreneurs, right?

I mean, John D. Rockefeller, Rockefeller by Ron Chernow, who wrote, who did Hamilton, now has a new book on Mark Twain.

Books on Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Andrew Carnegie.

No, it's pronounced Carnegie.

It is?

Yes, it got New Yorkized, but that's how he pronounced it.

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