John Mackey

Intense people that are very mission driven and people follow them because they, you know, I remember, you know, you ever read the story about how Steve Jobs got John Scully, who ultimately replaced him in Apple, the first car around to work for him?

They really wanted to bring in this – the board was pressuring Steve to bring in a professional manager.

So this guy was like president of Pepsi.

So he was a big corporate – and, you know, Apple was kind of a pipsqueak company back then.

His name was John Sculley.

So Steve is putting the pressure on him that Sculley is going to have to give up big, you know, to come in as the number two guy under Steve.

And, you know, it was a big step down, you might say.

And so how does – you know, what does Steve convince him?

He says, so John –

Do you want to spend the rest of your life selling sugar water to people?

Or do you want to come in and change the world?

Because that's what we're doing.

We're going to change the world.

Which do you prefer?

Sugar water salesman or world changers?

He had Scully with that argument.

Yeah.

It's a good question.

And Beth will believe me when I've thought about it.

Yeah.