John Mearsheimer

So the idea that the Iranians are these sort of mindless aggressors who are constantly starting wars and doing all these evil things against the good guys, Israel and the United States, is, as both of you know, a laughable argument.

Right.

Yeah.

I would also point out to you that Victoria Nuland made it clear that she disagreed with Pompeo when he, as Secretary of State, helped President Trump pull us out of the JCPOA.

She said that we should have stayed in the JCPOA.

She said it had flaws, but those flaws could have been fixed and we should have used it as a foundation.

to build a better agreement.

And that is actually a fundamental disagreement between the two of them.

So I think it was quite clear that although they both agree on a lot of issues, they disagree on a number of important issues.

With regard to the subject of Iran, there's no question that it's a disaster.

We have no sort of theory of victory at this point.

There's no strategy

that anybody can point to that will allow us to pull our chestnuts out of the fire.

And although Pompeo was a huge supporter of the Iran war, he wrote this op-ed for Fox News on February 28th.

that talks in very glowing terms about how the war is going to evolve and what a wonderful move it is by President Trump to start this war.

Nevertheless, given how it's gone south, he has no way of fixing the problem.

He has no solution.

Well, it's very important to understand that the deal that will be cut, assuming we get a deal, will be a disastrous deal for Israel.

Israel started this war with a number of goals.

None of them have been achieved.