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John Mearsheimer

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

And, you know, how would you think about that?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

So there are just plenty of questions you could ask him.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

Well, you realize I have, from the beginning, argued for different policies that were all designed to prevent this war from ever happening.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

I don't know if you know this, but in 1993, I argued that Ukraine should keep its nuclear weapons.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

I was probably the only person in the West who made that argument.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

And my argument in 1993, this is in foreign affairs, was that there may come the day when Russia thinks about invading Ukraine.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

And should that day come, it would be very helpful for preventing war if Ukraine had nuclear weapons.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

Well, if you're interested in deterring an adversary, if I'm worried about you coming after me, the best way to deter you is to have military might.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

And if you're Russia and I'm Ukraine, I'm far weaker than you, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

And having a nuclear deterrent would be very effective at convincing you not to attack me.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

Because if you attack me, you're threatening my survival.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

And that's the one circumstance where it is likely that

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

that I would use nuclear weapons to defend myself.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

And given the consequences of nuclear use, you would be reluctant in the extreme to attack me.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

So that's why I argued in 93 that if Ukraine kept its nuclear weapons, that made war down the road much less likely.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

And I believe I was correct.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

And in fact, Bill Clinton,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

who played the key role in forcing Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons, now says, he has said it publicly, you can find it on YouTube, that he made a mistake doing that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

Furthermore, I argued in 2014 that it made eminently good sense not to continue to push to bring Ukraine into NATO, because the end result is that Ukraine would be destroyed, and Ukraine is being destroyed.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 โ€“ John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3

So I was deeply interested at the time in making sure that that didn't happen for the good of the Ukrainians, not to mention because stability in Europe is a net positive for almost everybody involved.