John Mearsheimer

especially in the wake of the Holocaust.

Do I want to be called an anti-Semite?

Oh, my God, no.

And so it's very effective.

But, you know, it is important to talk about these issues, in my humble opinion.

And I think if we had talked about these issues way back when, it would have gone a long way towards –

you know, maybe getting a two-state solution, which I think was the best alternative here.

Yeah.

We obviously, when we wrote the article, which we did before the book, gave the subject a great deal of thought.

I mean, what you say just now is music to our ears.

I'm talking about me and Steve.

I mean, I think that your point about dog whistles is correct.

look, we went to great lengths to make it clear that this is not a cabal.

It's not a conspiracy.

And in fact, in a very important way, the lobby operates out in the open, right?

Uh,

they brag about their power, right?

And this was true before we wrote the article, right?

And we said in the article and the book, and you heard me say it here, first of all, it's not a Jewish lobby, right?

Secondly, it's not a cabal, right?