John Mellencamp

I just, you know, it was, I wanted to be a musician and not a clown, which, you know, if you remember back, Joe, and I'm not putting anybody down, but there were a lot of clownish guys from MTV.

Sure.

You know, that were like, what?

Yeah.

You know.

And a lot of sexism and stuff from MTV and no black people for a while.

They didn't play any black people.

They might play Michael Jackson, but other than that.

Right.

But they just didn't.

And I remember talking to Sykes about it.

Sykes, me, Don Henley, and somebody else went and did.

They were going to drop MTV off a whole bunch of stations, and we got on a plane and went there, went to all these different stations that were going to drop MTV and talked to them why they couldn't do it, and it worked.

Too lewd, too...

I want to tell you something else, young man.

I want to tell you something else.

I showed that by accident in a video, and MTV wasn't going to play the video.

And now you know why, because we're talking about sound scan and stuff.

That's how all that happened.

And my deceased friend, Tim White, who I love dearly, told me it was going to happen.