John Mitchinson

Well, Nikki, you've got experience at the BBC.

Yeah.

And you read this.

Yeah.

What did it, did it ring true to the BBC particularly or...?

So we should say those include DPP, Director of Programme Planning, RPD, Recorder, Programme Director, and just BH, Broadcasting House.

This line here, which given people have strong feelings about the BBC at the best of times and we're not currently in the best of times.

I mean, this was written in 1979 and it was written about the BBC in the 1940s, but it applies, I mean...

The BBC loyally defended their own as a cross between a civil service, a powerful moral force and an amateur theatrical company that wasn't too sure where next week's money was coming from.

They had several different kinds of language and could guarantee to come out best from almost any discussion.

I love it.

I mean that, Nick, that's...

Here is Penelope Fitzgerald talking about Human Voices and the BBC.

George, you've got a bit to read, right?

She's kind.

And Muriel was a bitch.

Well, I don't know.

I love Muriel Spark.

We can have both.

For me, there's a real link here between, I would say, Anita Bruckner, Elizabeth Taylor, Penelope Fitzgerald.