John Nunemaker

Oh, close to that. I think I did say that. Yeah, that's something he would say. Yeah, go to zero. He'd say that. It was close to that. It maybe wasn't exactly verbatim, but it was something along those lines. And I was like, that was my first thought too. And then I realized like, I can't think of anything that's gone to zero.

Oh, close to that. I think I did say that. Yeah, that's something he would say. Yeah, go to zero. He'd say that. It was close to that. It maybe wasn't exactly verbatim, but it was something along those lines. And I was like, that was my first thought too. And then I realized like, I can't think of anything that's gone to zero.

The stuff that goes to zero is like the stuff that, you know, you put gas on the fire and you try to grow faster than you can. That stuff goes to zero. Like stuff that, you know, like this long tail, been around for a while, proven business model. I mean, Fireside's 2016. So we're talking an eight-year-old business at this point that's been rock steady the last three, four years.

The stuff that goes to zero is like the stuff that, you know, you put gas on the fire and you try to grow faster than you can. That stuff goes to zero. Like stuff that, you know, like this long tail, been around for a while, proven business model. I mean, Fireside's 2016. So we're talking an eight-year-old business at this point that's been rock steady the last three, four years.

It's not going anywhere immediately unless podcasting disappears. And then we all have bigger problems, right? So...

It's not going anywhere immediately unless podcasting disappears. And then we all have bigger problems, right? So...

Shrinking. Yeah, I would say shrinking. But again, like, so there's different categories of SaaS apps, just what I've seen in, you know, like my whatever, 10, 20 years of like doing it. And so there's like, like one example would be like, way back in the day, we made Harmony. It was a CMS platform. Did great. I had the lowest churn of anything I've ever worked on.

Shrinking. Yeah, I would say shrinking. But again, like, so there's different categories of SaaS apps, just what I've seen in, you know, like my whatever, 10, 20 years of like doing it. And so there's like, like one example would be like, way back in the day, we made Harmony. It was a CMS platform. Did great. I had the lowest churn of anything I've ever worked on.

You know, it was like, I think we had two people cancel the entire, like two, three years we ran it. And one person was Garrett who was paying it because he thought it was cool, but wasn't using it. And he was like, I'm not going to get around. So he canceled, I think. And the other person, they went out of business.

You know, it was like, I think we had two people cancel the entire, like two, three years we ran it. And one person was Garrett who was paying it because he thought it was cool, but wasn't using it. And he was like, I'm not going to get around. So he canceled, I think. And the other person, they went out of business.

And so I'm like, I've seen hosting and hosting is very like, it takes a lot to get in. Once they're in, they don't leave. And then I've also seen, you know, gauges, which is what we made to go against like Google analytics. Yeah. And that was like, I was a customer number gauges. Were you really?

And so I'm like, I've seen hosting and hosting is very like, it takes a lot to get in. Once they're in, they don't leave. And then I've also seen, you know, gauges, which is what we made to go against like Google analytics. Yeah. And that was like, I was a customer number gauges. Were you really?

Yeah. It was simpler. A lot cooler and way more simple. Yeah, exactly. It was just like, look, you care about these three things. And it was live. We had this awesome air traffic, like dropping pins. Yeah, it was cool design.

Yeah. It was simpler. A lot cooler and way more simple. Yeah, exactly. It was just like, look, you care about these three things. And it was live. We had this awesome air traffic, like dropping pins. Yeah, it was cool design.

Was it like- Oh, it started at like six bucks. I think the biggest customer we had- Yeah, I was gonna say, it wasn't very much. Was maybe in the hundreds, the like many hundreds, but like most of it was pretty cheap.

Was it like- Oh, it started at like six bucks. I think the biggest customer we had- Yeah, I was gonna say, it wasn't very much. Was maybe in the hundreds, the like many hundreds, but like most of it was pretty cheap.

A hundred percent. It's super easy. So there's no stickiness. Cause you can be like, you can run two at the same time and see if you like it. And you can use the free trial and be like, no, I don't like it. And just take it off. So like, it's like super easy in, but super easy out. And so I've seen like both, I would say those are the two ends of the spectrum of SaaS apps.

A hundred percent. It's super easy. So there's no stickiness. Cause you can be like, you can run two at the same time and see if you like it. And you can use the free trial and be like, no, I don't like it. And just take it off. So like, it's like super easy in, but super easy out. And so I've seen like both, I would say those are the two ends of the spectrum of SaaS apps.

And so I'm like, well, if you've got those two ends, like where does Fireside fit? And I'm like, it's hosting. And like, yeah, sure. It's not that hard to move from like one podcast host to another in some cases.

And so I'm like, well, if you've got those two ends, like where does Fireside fit? And I'm like, it's hosting. And like, yeah, sure. It's not that hard to move from like one podcast host to another in some cases.