John Priestland

I did that once.

I didn't go down so well.

But you could talk about, have you seen that President Trump has started releasing the UFO files?

Did you know that a major barrister, Jonathan Kaplan, King's Council, has just written a book on UFOs?

What do you make about that?

There's all sorts of conversational starters.

And I would really encourage your listeners to try and have a conversation.

What's the worst thing that can happen?

The worst thing is that conversation gets closed down or doesn't go there.

And little by little, if we all have those conversations, we push back together on stigma and we make it more acceptable, which the overarching thing that Martin's mentioned a few times is for this preparedness plan to work, we need to dial down stigma.

And that's all about having more and better conversations.

Yeah, I think conference is the thing.

We have plans for a conference in the States.

That's where the action on this largely is.

Probably in early 2027, convened through and with a U.S.

university.

And we think that will be easier for the sorts of conferences

public health contingency planning, disaster management people to engage with, not that they're engaging directly with Unhidden, but they're engaging under the auspices of a university.

And the key phrase in the back of the plan is building the coalition.

We can't do everything, but we can convene.