John Priestland

Do not say that again.

And then the third one is when they try and go and talk to their doctor.

that they may be drawn into a mental illness diagnosis.

It's important to say that a small number of people who report exceptional experiences do have a mental illness.

And that's why one of the things we point to in our preparedness plan, which is based a lot on the importance of better conversations, that there needs to be a mental health, a mental illness triage layer.

So that small number of people who do need formal

mental illness, mental illness care from psychologists and psychiatrists receive that.

But the vast number of people who see something strange do not need that.

And it's nothing different than the sort of trauma you would get if you saw a nasty road traffic accident or perhaps a mugging on the tube.

You have shock, you may have depression, maybe some form of PTSD, but it's not a mental illness.

And doctor, if I've misspoken on that, do correct me.

Well, one of the things that Unhidden is not, is we're not a disclosure group.

So we're not advocating for disclosure, what do we want disclosure, when do we want it now?

We're there to support people pre, during, post disclosure, or never.

And I think it's important to make the case that governments prepare for all sorts of things, pandemics,

industrial accidents, disasters, and the event that actually happens is not necessarily quite what they prepared for.

So they prepared for an influenza pandemic,

they got a COVID pandemic and it wasn't quite right, but the societal resilience was stronger.

And we contend that what we're proposing here and we'll come on to some of the detail is a set of steps that help build societal resilience against unusual out of the ordinary.

We say paradigm shifting events that challenge psychological security.