John R. Miles

Is there anything that genuinely surprised you in the last few months you heard from one of them?

I know that to be the case with myself.

And you and I have been talking about flow and optimal performance for years.

And as we were talking about doing this conversation in my book, Passion Struck, I refer to this flow state as optimal anxiety, that sweet spot where anxiety sharpens you instead of crushing you.

You call it flow code.

Where do you see these two worlds meeting?

Yeah.

And for the people who don't know you, you've coached over 175 NBA players, big basketball player yourself, brother's big basketball name.

But I wanted to ask you this directly.

Out of all the people you've coached or observed, who was the biggest flow master you've ever worked with?

Like the guy who could flip that switch the fastest?

I love that answer.

I used to work at Lowe's Home Improvement and Lowe's is headquartered in Mooresville, which is about 30 minutes north of Charlotte.

And I used to go to Davidson College when I lived there to watch basketball games because they're not good in any other sport.

And Steph Curry happened to be there.

So I got to see him play and

He's another one where when I saw him in college, he was good, but never in a million years did I think he would turn into the player that he's become using some of the attributes that you're just talking about.

But whether it's Jeremy Lin or Brooke Lopez or Steph Curry, what's one specific thing those athletes do that helps them drop into the zone quickly, especially when the stakes are highest?

And this is something like I even think Jalen Hurts does in the big games as well.

Before we continue, I want to pause on something important.