John R. Miles

It helped him when he was doing training exercises.

It helped him when he was doing spacewalks because he was able to get into this zone of concentration that is trainable.

And this is where I wanted to go with you, because as I was reading

The work that you've been doing, what you are finding is that flow is trainable.

You've been working with neuroscientists mapping the 10 Hertz brainwave signature

What broke this open for you?

What made you go, man, we can actually teach people how to do this?

So they're passion struck.

Yeah, what freaks me out is when I watch them, when they sleep up there and they put that little bed there with no guardrails.

I'm like, it's bad enough that you're trying to free climb it, but they have to sleep out there.

The other good thing about living in Mooresville, North Carolina, is we were in close proximity to both NASCAR and drag racing.

And I got to meet drivers in both arenas.

And a really good friend of mine is Doug Herbert, who was one of the first guys to break 300 miles per hour.

Wow.

Doug had a personal tragedy where he lost his two sons to a car accident.

And he started this nonprofit called Bricks where he teaches kids safe driving now, but they would do these charity fundraisers.

And through that, John Forrest and Ashley Forrest and Tony Schumacher and others would show up.

And one day I was at one of these and a whole group of us were talking about this whole flow state.

And I was asking them,

When you're doing top fuel and you've only got so many seconds to perfect your craft, how do you describe it?