John R. Miles

So loving someone, caring for someone.

And he says another one is through suffering.

I wanted to ask, and maybe I'll ask you both this, as I was thinking about this,

For some reason, I started to think about Dr. Keltner and his work, whom I'm sure you both are very familiar with.

And I started to think about moral beauty as you were both talking, because I think when we are cooperating with others, oftentimes we feel awe inside.

And he found

that moral beauty happens the most when we're expressing kindness or service or some type of reframing to another, either doing it ourselves or witnessing it from someone who's doing it to another.

Do you think that moral beauty, Josh, I'll ask you first, could help scale cooperation at a societal level?

Yeah, I want to go back to kids here for a second.

I happened to read this pretty alarming article yesterday.

There was this

Research study, which included 17,000 fifth grade through 12th grade girls in the girls index, and it revealed this troubling trend in those adolescents.

60% of those girls reported that they don't say what they're thinking or disagree with others, even if they think they're wrong, because they want to be liked.

They want to feel like they're part of the tribe that we've been talking about.

And 17,000 kids is a lot to survey to get that statistic.

So how do we teach expanding this moral circle that we've been talking about to kids, not just in theory, but in real world conflict that happens on the playgrounds at school, on screens, and in social media?

I'm not sure which one of you would take it first, but it's a really interesting and important topic.

I am.

Well, how about I take it before Rick?

Yeah, yeah.