John R. Miles

And you've been doing it now for a decade, right?

Man, I can't believe we're at five years now and it's just to think about doing it for another seven years with how much effort there is to doing a podcast that people don't realize is, it's a lot of work.

Last time for the listeners who might've tuned in to our last episode, which was actually, it's about 200 episodes from when this one will air, but it's really only been about 18, 19 months.

I'd encourage you to go back to episode 569 if you want to pick up our last conversation.

But since then, you have written this amazing new book, which came out at the end of March.

It's called How a Little Becomes a Lot.

And it's all about the art of small changes and how they create a meaningful life.

And you and I are both huge fans of behavior science.

And I remember I was interviewing, I'm not sure if you've ever had her on your show, Michelle Seeger from University of Michigan.

She gets so excited when she talks about her work.

And I remember she was talking about micro choices.

John, if you don't remember, if you don't,

Mark Doyal- Remember anything else remember micro choices and this whole concept of micro choices and your concept that a little by little a little becomes a lot are very tied to each other.

Mark Doyal- Why do you believe that it's these little things like you both bring up that really drive how change works.

So why do you think it is that so many people re reject this as an approach?

Because to me, it, it makes a whole lot of sense.

If you think about.

your own life and for those who are listening and you wanna make a change, when we try to go big bang, like 95% of the time, the big bang collapses after a period of time, which is exactly why New Year's resolutions fail for so many people.

But we think that doing these little things is gonna be so difficult to maintain the exact opposite.

Why do you think there's such a big gap?