John R. Miles

Even before seeing it with A.J.

Brown, because we share another common person between us, and that's Sean Foley, who had told me about this book a while back, and that it was one that I should eventually read.

How do you know Sean?

All those terrible things happened in Tiger's life.

So not only was he trying to help him become a better golfer, he was trying to get him to take back his life again.

So what a challenging time to be any superstar's coach.

One of the things that I really liked about the book right from the beginning is how you bring in your own story.

And you said this quote, those destined for greatness must first walk alone in the desert.

You literally sold most of your possessions and lived in solitude for years.

What did that season of your life teach you about yourself and also about life?

And I know you're a faith-based person like myself, but when I was reading this and when I thought about my own life,

and periods of time where I've really done deep self-awareness.

I think back to even Jesus's journey of how he spent 40 days alone and would look for solitude when he was contemplating big events in his life as well.

So I really do think there's something about this need for solitude and for rewiring ourselves and coming back to ourselves.

Did that sort of play into it for you?

Yeah.

Well, this whole podcast is all about human flourishing.

And I am a huge fan of Abraham Maslow.

And again, early in the book, before we get into the Maslow chapter, you write about

What any of us really want is to feel truly alive.