John Skipper
Appearances
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
I think the feeling was, yeah, but we own the underlying intellectual property. A distributor won't win. A creative company will win.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
We'd been so used to being in a world where there was this clear separation between the people who were creative and the people who were distributors.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
So yeah, when you were faced with, do we want to miss earnings for a couple of years? Or do we want to take Netflix's money, impress Wall Street with our earnings growth? And it worked. And it worked and worked and worked until it didn't work. People love the narrative that Disney messed up, didn't understand it was coming. We knew there was a precipice, but it was not right in front of us.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
We, you know, we're like Wile E. Coyote falling off a cliff. But if Wile E. Coyote can't see the end of the cliff... All he sees is desert in front of them. In our case, all we saw was lush jungle of money in front of us. And you don't see the cliff. You don't jump off before you have to, you know, drive me up to the cliff so I can jump off now.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
Bob actually believed in trying to be transparent to shareholders and to the street. I remember him saying, we have a responsibility to let people know that there is this thing we have to deal with.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
And there was enormous wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth about, why are we buying this technology?
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
My point, Kevin agreed with me, it's what we recommended to Bob, was it's not about the math. It's about existential existence.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
I became president in 2012. It happens to be that my timing was spectacular relative to the performance of ESPN. This is John Skipper.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
It also happens that 2012 was the first year that there was a tiny decline in the number of pay television subscribers.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
Because at that point, I now am sitting at the staff meeting with Bob Iger and Alan Horn, the head of the studio, etc., etc., And they clearly had been thinking about it longer. They understood intellectually that there is some really significant thing coming, that there is danger.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
We would do these models where we would say, if we were to completely pivot, what would we have to charge and how many subscribers would we have to have? And it was a very scary thing to look at. And when you looked at it, you were like, hmm, that is not going to happen. It is not going to be possible that because at that point we still had 85 to 90 million subscribers.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
And remember, it's a beautiful system. It's probably the best model in the history of media. The distributors deal with customer service. They deal with credit cards. They deal with how to get the signal to people. You don't have to do any of that. All we got to do is create content. We sell it to somebody else. They deal with all the technological issues.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
They deal with the customer service issues. We just get paid.
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Disney Is a Tech Company?
It wasn't like Netflix came out of nowhere, but at the time, the people at the studio thought, oh, this is a great new revenue stream.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
You gotta give credit to the guy who gets to, let's just assume it's a third, a third, a third. I don't know that it is. But if it's a third, a third, a third, I like being the guy who gets to hold $2 billion of somebody else's money and I still get to hold the trophy.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
It's good to hear that $4 billion still has value in the marketplace and will allow you to understand what trades your team may be making. What's the threshold?
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
These transactions. Let's keep moving.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
So you mean swabbed on your throat?
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Isn't Chisholm like a character on Yellowstone? William Chisholm. That just sounds like the next cowboy to walk into the attack room.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Oh yeah, when I was a kid, we would go to Dr. Jacob Leonard, And Dr. Jacob Leonard could cure your sore throat immediately. I do not think it's legal anymore. He would put what was called Paragoric, which is an opiate, on a swab and swab your throat. And you'd be like, damn, I'm well.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Ultimately, though, relative to sports business, what this continues to mean is that the valuation of clubs is going up, up, and up. And just for fun, what year would you assume we'll see a team be sold for $10 billion?
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I do not know. I believe Paragoric was legal at the time. And in fact, it was not unusual. Okay, I've found Paragoric. It was legal at one point, and I used to, you'd get, my mom would put it on my thumb when I was a little tiny baby, so I'd go to sleep.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Doesn't feel like it is. I agree with you that, of course, it depends what team, but I would assume if the Yankees were sold... you would be close in a step transaction to $10 billion at some point. Yes. I would think the same thing is true of the Knicks at some point and the Dodgers and the Cowboys.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
So I don't actually see for the major franchises in the major leagues in this country, I don't see, has there been anybody sold for less money than anybody paid before? In the last 30 or 40 years, has anybody lost money on the team?
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I don't think so.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I would suspect that I would suspect I agree with David that there is going to be a place.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Yeah. I would suggest to you that there I bet is a correlation between the funds that invest that have sports fans in them. Interesting. I don't think they're immune from the sexiness of that owning a team brings, right?
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I think there will be at some point.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
We should do the over-under on when the first Sixth Street fund executive will be in the front row of a Celtics game.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I predict it will be the opener next year.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
You mean if you put a billion dollars in, you can't get a couple of season tickets? Is that like a rule of the league is you can't give away season tickets?
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I don't really care. I'm just interested in why that would matter. That would matter. What are you protecting by not saying, oh, I used to suggest that I had the most expensive season tickets in the world because when ESPN bought rights, we did often call up and get some free tickets. Never a free season ticket. Just want to be clear. Never a free season ticket.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Owners and management of the Florida Marlins would extend me the invitation to come up and say hello to the owner, which I would just enjoy doing. But I actually prefer to watch the game from somewhere other than a suite almost any time I would rather sit in the stands.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Think how much easier it would be now. You could just put a GPS on me and track me at all times.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Are we required to use the titles of the garden?
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I assume he's the governor of the New York Knicks.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Well, this was a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't sucked my thumb since the 50s. I sucked my thumb last night, actually, in the fetal position.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I would argue that he still is a dissenter. You said that the requirement for that is that he puts thought into it. He is voting his own interest. It may not be aligned with the league's interest, but he has what has traditionally been a very lucrative regional sports network. It is one that is likely to survive significantly longer than most other regional sports networks. And he is simply...
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In this case, I'm not discussing any vote because I'm not familiar with all the votes at the NBA. But at this case, he simply is at odds with what the rest of the league has decided is good for it, right? And that is the NFL is a national league. Everything is national, right? And that has been good for the NFL. The NBA has clearly decided they want to be a national league.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
And I believe said on this program before that they are the league after the NFL most suited to have everything become national. So that's where they're headed. But that means they have to take games that have previously been regional games, local games, and make them national. And in most cases, those regional sports networks have disappeared. They're no longer significant drivers of revenue.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
And Adam appropriately said, knows that he can make his league a national league. And they're going to move to, at some point, every game being national. And that will, of course, hurt some franchises, but it helps most of the franchises. And I think likely at least 22.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
So I think it unlikely that he's going to move from being a dissenter to being a minority voting bloc that gets to change what they're doing. But I do understand- And remember, John-
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
There you go. Get your throat swabbed. It feels great. And get rid of your diarrhea. So I'm surprised to find that the topic of torpedo bats is not on the agenda today.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Well, they haven't lost yet this year, so just 51 so far. If they lose this year, maybe... I know they've had a tough time beating the very best teams in the league, but they're still going to make a playoff run.
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That sounds accurate, because if we were back to the what team will eventually command $10 billion, the Knicks, I think, would be a candidate for that. Yes, absolutely. I realize the Celtics win more titles, But the differential in economic value in New York and Boston is pretty dramatic. So if they're worth 7-3, the Knicks are worth, you know, they're going to go for $10 billion at some point.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I assume it will perpetually be that at this point, though I was the beneficiary of the $3 blue seats. I moved to New York in 1978. That's right. And you're right, David. I could come into the garden not having purchased a ticket before, pay three smackaroos, and go sit in the blue seats.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
And then you didn't have to buy marijuana to do it. You could just sit up in the blue seats. It should have been called the blue smoky seats. Now I'm jealous.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Well, you'd kind of hope that if you spent $7 billion for a team that you really would root for them.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I think they'll be looking at both. I have the feeling that the Celtics partisanship at 6th Street will be pretty significant.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Well, if they're only given one wish, they will wish for the valuation to go up. They're given two wishes. They would wish for the valuation to go up and that they win a championship. Right.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Well, that's just the human species, right? We're all expiring assets. I hesitate. Isn't that true, literally? We are.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Three expiring assets. It's Pablo Torre and the expiring assets coming to your club now.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
I have to say, if he was, were you doing an impression of me? Yeah.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
By the way, if there's anybody on April the 1st you should be careful of on the worldwide leader, it would be Tony and Mike.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Hope you're feeling better. Get some Paragoric on that throat. I'm telling you, you'll feel great.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out. Explain to me, David, what it means to be. Is this a nomenclature they use in all the leagues is that you are a governor?
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
But is the governor is the voting member? So if there are league issues, is that the sole purpose
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
which is amusing to me. Is being a governor that much fun that you'd want to sell your club over three years as opposed to right away? I mean, is the step transaction intended to do what? I mean, why have a step transaction?
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
It's not the cold issue, guys. I believe Frank Sinatra was quite grumpy about it, and our friend David is not grumpy. Oh, there is a smile. There is a smile.
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The Sporting Class: How the NBA's Masters of the Universe Box Each Other Out
And the SIP transaction here is fairly significant, right? The first payment is proportionally based on a valuation of 6.1, and the third is based on a valuation of 7.5. Point three, do I have that right?
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That's a fairly significant increase on the valuation of a team over two years. It's about a 20%. Suggesting that the team will be worth 20% more than the... Is 6.1 the most ever... If it happens, I realize there's some obstacles right now, but if it happened, is 6.1 the most ever paid for a team? The most in any sport, actually. And internationally, more than a soccer team. We'll check that.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Are you the one person that picked his own camera angles? No. Okay. So there actually is no person. There's zero people.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I don't want to be the director. At least every sport and every network at some point has made the case that, oh, we're going to give you the opportunity to pick the camera you want. And to my knowledge, no one has yet picked a camera. It's so true.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I'd say in a slightly more positive way, I think that the production of sports has become so spectacular. that I don't know why anybody would decide they could do better sitting at home toggling a couple of buttons. You don't miss anything in a game anymore. There's 30 cameras at a football game.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
uh the the replays are spectacular the slow motion the the effects it's it's a beautiful produced game are the games are beautifully produced i always laugh when people thought oh 3d is going to be great it's like 3d first of all you ruin the ruin the communal element you put a goggles on and second of all it looks fake
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Even though it's supposed to look less fake, nothing looks better than the two-dimensional, high-definition, well-produced game. That's all you need to see. You don't miss anything.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I sat one time on 6th Street, which is that street in Palo Alto where all the high-tech companies are, and they made me put on goggles, and I sat in a seat, and LeBron James actually ran past me, and then somebody else ran past me. I'm like... I know he's not here, so why is this going to excite me that you can make it look like he's here?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I'll never forget being at the Walt Disney Company, and they were trying to show us how great through— VR would be. Virtual reality stuff would be. And they put us all on like this ledge. It looked very much like you were on the ledge. And if you jumped off the ledge, you would go into an abyss. Yep. And they were going to invite us to jump off the ledge, and I didn't even wait. I just jumped.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
If that makes you happy, John. I came in and sat in the chair that was at the spot. I always sit in. That's always been in the third spot. I did not ask anybody to move the chairs around. I don't believe you. There may be people who are looking for promotions and extra bonuses who just did it for me.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I'm like, first of all, there's no way they're going to put an executive at risk here for disappearing into an abyss and dying. So why would you give in to the idea that you were actually on a ledge?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, at one point, I think they wanted me to be on the abyss and jump.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I've seen it as anything from sort of 11 to 16 minutes. I do think it probably is the greatest disparity between the amount of time that's on a clock. Baseball, of course, there is no clock. And the actual amount of time they're playing. The greatest being... Possibly one of my two favorite sports, which is soccer, where you are actually playing... Continuously.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
You're playing 105 minutes in 90 minutes. And they actually care so much that you're playing. They're not really playing 105. But... They theoretically... You're counting extra time? What? That's extra time. Extra time. So theoretically, in a 45-minute half, if you don't play 45 minutes, they add time to make sure you actually play 45 minutes.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Do they keep track of it? They have actually begun to keep... more track of it. It still is somewhat inexact. And I still love the fact that they don't tell you. They say it's plus nine minutes, but then the clock does not reset. You have to put it on your watch and actually look at it. And then it's not nine minutes. It's seven minutes and 55 seconds or it's not. Well, it goes 45 to 54.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
No. Is that not accurate? It is accurate, except the 45 is on the clock. And at 45, and they say, oh, we're going to have six more minutes. The six more minutes does not appear anywhere publicly that anybody can see.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Which is crazy. I know, which is why you see the coach running down the sidelines, pointing at his watch going, you said six minutes and we're now at six minutes and 40 seconds.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I think it would be hard to actually have a dynastic moment. By definition, it would not be a dynasty.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, villainy is not a bad thing. I wanted to first ask, why is their dynasty villainous? Aren't all dynasties villainous simply because you're keeping every other team and their fans from winning? What's villainous about it? Astros, Patriots, Chiefs.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, that's different. Their dynasty wasn't villainous. They may have had some villainous actions. Well, I think that's the same. You think the whole Chiefs dynasty is villainous?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
What is villainous? Isn't Patrick Mahomes a pretty likable guy? Isn't... The Kelseys appear to be pretty likable. A lot of people listen to them on the radio.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Taylor Swift is a very popular entertainer. The number one ever. And you're in Kansas City, which is not particularly controversial. It's not like people dislike the dominance of New York or Los Angeles, or they don't happen to like... for whatever reason, some other city? What's the dislike?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Villains are good. Good for ratings, good for business.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
In fact, I think he's 0-1. I'm pretty sure Owen Morton, as far as we know, there's only one fight and he lost.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Is that a reference that no one knows? Though I'm pretty sure there is no record of any other fight. I would not disagree with you that Mike potentially... I think he picked the one fight of his life happened to be the one that's remembering against David.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, sit... since what I actually believe is it's just a story that you made up. It's not any different than that scene in Troy where this big mohunk comes out and Brad Pitt runs up and smites him in three seconds. It's just a story. I'm sorry, just mohunk though? And smite?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Because I... It's just an honorable poetic word, sort of meaning a big hunk. He's a Mohunk. I might have made it up even. Then it's not a word. No, no, you can make up a word. No. I thought it was a galoot. It was like in the galoot coaching. It is in the galoot family, I think. I think the galoots and the moth hunks were like the Hatfields and the McCoys.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I'm not sure it's any more complicated than if a team wins consistently, it means every other team is not winning. And I have to say I'm mad every year when my team does not win at the team that does win.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Does it bother me? It bothers me that these salaries are that high for a position that makes no financial difference in the game. I don't believe that 50... 3 million people would have watched instead of 57 million people if Tom Brady wasn't in the booth. I don't know if he was in the booth for that game. He was not.
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Looks like a good sort of combination of shaggy and formatted.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
So does it bother me? I do believe there's a conflict, and the conflict should probably be resolved. I don't know why he's allowed to continue to have that conflict. And he probably brings more value, though I doubt Mark Davis is going to pay him $37.5 million, though his stake in the team may be well worth more than that. He should make a decision about which one he wants to do.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Somebody should do the real test, and that is to have the Manning cast be the only cast. I mean, what do we think?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
No, no, no. No, just take the announcers away and have it just be them. That's all you can do. The Manning cast is on linear. What would happen if on a Monday night football broadcast, your only choice was to cut on and watch the Mannings? Do we believe more or less people would tune in?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I don't think that's a big factor. I'd like to go back to and put everybody on the spot. I watched several Monday Night Football broadcasts this year, almost all of them with my son, Clay. And we chose the Manning cast every time. And we did not miss the old school, hey, so-and-so turns around, he hands the ball off, he goes for three yards, second seven. I don't miss it at all.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I would prefer that people would get more experimental and get more interesting. All they're doing is continuing to do radio on television. They're calling a game as though I can't see what's going on. The Manning cast is entertaining in itself. I don't find it. Have you watched the Manning cast for a full game? I've sampled it, but I've not watched it for a full game.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
It was an experiment, and I have to say, in retrospect, my attempt to do so was undermined, not popular, not accepted, and the people who were in charge of the production and the other people in the booth made sure it didn't work.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, we didn't really do it that way. We paid Tony Kornheiser to do PTI. And when we asked him to be on Monday Night Football, we negotiated an additional fee. To have him on, but all he was doing, and that fee was allocated to Monday Night Football, and the fee for PTI was PTI. So it was an extra fee. So the answer is that you didn't just put him on Monday Night Football.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
We did have a concept that we can ask you to do other things, and we're not going to pay you more. And we built in, we were notorious for building in, you're going to be a college football analyst, but you're also going to appear on College Football Weekly. This is what Charles Barkley says. Yeah.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
That's good investigative reporting. I mean. You stuck to it. You didn't accept.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
It was true. Nobody worked harder than the people who worked at ESPN. I was always amused, and I am still kind of amused with your time about how hard it is to only have a week to prepare for a game, a game that you have spent your whole life either playing or announcing. It doesn't seem that hard to me.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
14, 16 hours a day for the other six days. I didn't think anybody does that. My experience with the people who are doing that is they were very conscientious about preparing, but that they weren't getting up at the crack of dawn and working till midnight to make sure they understood what they What is the great complications?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I want to bring this back to Tom Brady, though. If I studied for six hours, I could name every player on the team, yes.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
It's hard for good players. It is a separate set of skills. People do actually go to school and spend four years sort of learning how to do it and having actually seen it. And I don't want to let my previous remarks not make it sound like I respected what they understood how to do. They understood when to come in and when not to come in.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
There's a big truck full of people, and they're talking about putting graphics on and doing replays, and the people have to understand how to work within that team. It has very, very little to do To what you do when you take the snap from center, you drop back three or four steps and see the field. That, even if you did that better than anybody, you still don't know how to articulate that.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, was it an option when you were a kid? It was not an option for me when I was a kid. Nobody... Sunscreen had not been invented? I have no idea, but no one ever mentioned the word sunscreen in the first 15 years of my life. Is that a money thing?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
You don't know how to, when to do it, how to interact with the other people who are helping you do that.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I would argue, well, Vin Scully is a unique talent. And I would make the argument that nobody before Vin, Orson has called the game with the sort of level of eloquence, insight, and not spending almost any of his time on the pedestrian things that happened. Oh, they popped the ball up high. So-and-so is sitting underneath it and has gathered it in.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I don't think Vince spent a lot of time doing that.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Well, Mohawk is actually an anglicized version of the name of a native tribe. It's a punk hairstyle from the 80s. Agreed to agree. It was that also.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
We are laughing about the relative heights of our chairs, but when I was at ESPN, I always made sure I had the highest chair. Wait, in a meeting. I see you.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
What is registered is that the NFL is the game of this country. It is the... game in which our country mostly stops where you notice it on the street, right? I live in a neighborhood not far from here, and I am shocked on a Sunday to see how many people living in New York City are wearing Buffalo Bills jerseys and Kansas City Chiefs jerseys.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And I'm not shocked at Philadelphia Eagles jerseys because they're just sort of right down the turnpike. But Denver Broncos jerseys or Dallas Cowboys jerseys. It is America's sport and most Americans stop for big games like this, and this is what their day is about. I see people out everywhere.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
My son, Clay, who pulls for the Jets, so he should have no interest in the playoffs since they have not sniffed the playoffs, I think, in something like 16 years. I could have that wrong. It's fewer. Nine, maybe. I can't remember.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
No, I wanted them to have to look up to me.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
But it is the longest current streak, I think. of not making the playoffs, but he still cares, and he still goes and sits with his friends in a bar or has them over to the apartment, and they watch the game. Does he gamble? He does not. I personally believe the suggestion that gambling has anything to do with these high numbers, I don't really believe it.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I think it makes it more fun, but I don't think that that's why these numbers are high. I think it is an inchoate sort of love of the game that is astonishing. And these guys have built strength upon strength upon strength.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Is that the official attendance or is that the actual attendance?
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
LeBron James actually ran past me, and then somebody else ran past me. I'm like, I know he's not here. Right after this ad.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
But isn't it ultimately about... what the viewing experience is like on television. Because we're not talking about 57.7 million people went to the game. We're talking about 57. That's the average minute. So it probably was 70 million people, which is... One, you know, more than one out of every, close to one out of every five people in the country. Right.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
It's a great game to watch on television. It's easy. You can see everything almost. You don't have to.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
Yeah, and by the way, you don't miss anything because the way the game works, play happens, and then before the next play happens, you get to see about three more views of that play. So if you miss something, if you turned around the wrong way, if you weren't looking at the right part of the field, you don't miss anything. Basketball, you're going back and forth. You can't watch all 10 players.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
You can't see what everybody's doing. Baseball is slow and it's subtle game. I mean, these are all great games. I get accused of liking one more than the other. I like basketball more, but that doesn't mean I think it's a better television viewing experience than football. And by the way, you can leave and you don't miss anything.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
I actually think the fact that there is less action in a football game makes it better. It's a more social event. You sit around laughing and talking. If you sit around laughing and talking during a basketball game, somebody scored 12 points and gone from being behind by five to ahead by seven. You sort of have to pay attention. But I just think television works perfectly for football.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
It is disparate, but yet it is sort of a common...
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
attraction right you whether you are in the stadium with a bunch of people or you're in your living room with a bunch of people or you're in a bar with a bunch of people it's a communal experience and it's more fun i do sometimes watch games by myself i don't find it not enjoyable but it is a whole lot more fun to watch with other people i don't know why and there are not many of those activities
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
That we do anymore. We go to concerts a little bit, but for the most part, we do a lot of things solitary. I can go to the movies by myself. It's fine.
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The Sporting Class: The Chiefs' Dynastic Moment
And is that for every sport? Because I can understand for baseball where you understand more than most people do and you may not want to be.
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With the Galaxy Watch 7 or the Galaxy Ring and the Samsung Health app.
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Kennt ihr auch diesen einen Freund, der morgens einfach so ruckzuck aus dem Bett und danach aus dem Grinsen gar nicht mehr rauskommt? Der sogar noch vor dem ersten Kaffee unverschämt gut gelaunt ist und mit der Morgensonne um die Wette strahlt? Furchtbar. Ekelhaft.
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Kennt ihr auch diesen einen Freund, der morgens einfach so ruckzuck aus dem Bett und danach aus dem Grinsen gar nicht mehr rauskommt? Der sogar noch vor dem ersten Kaffee unverschämt gut gelaunt ist und mit der Morgensonne um die Wette strahlt? Furchtbar. Ekelhaft.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 7
Consequently, there came a moment we were either talking about moving Dan's show from the local radio to ESPN National or we're talking about moving it to a different day part. I was in the process of trying to bring in a new generation of talent. I wanted that generation of talent to be diverse.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 7
And there was a moment when I suggested to Dan that it might make a very good radio show for him and Beaumont to do the show together. And Dan said, I have a unique chemistry with Stugatz. I want to continue that. I didn't know John very well at all. That's John Wiener. Did not know him very well. And Dan sent him up to Bristol to meet with me. We met in my office. I liked him.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 7
A great deal when I met him. He's a charming fellow. And also at that meeting, ultimately, I realized that I wanted to get Dan, keep Dan motivated. He had a right to choose his own co-host. So I agreed. And I did tell him, I'll agree, but you have to change your name because I don't think we want to do the Dan LeBattard show with testicles.
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Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 7
And maybe since you're moving on to the national ESPN platform, you should think about, let's just get rid of that nickname. There was no budging on that either from either Stu Gotts or Senior Levitard. So I capitulated.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 7
Sometimes you have to capitulate to your most talented folks who have ideas about things they want to do, often because it's right and often because it's the practical thing to do for the greater good. And I don't think I'm going to characterize which one of those two it was.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 7
I'm John Skipper. I was once president of ESPN. When Colin Coward left ESPN for Fox, it left a hole in our radio schedule. And there was some discussion about what to put in there. Was there resistance? It was always resistance internally at ESPN to Dan. right when we originally installed him in Miami.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 7
There were a number of people who didn't think we should have studio facilities in Miami, and I did have to tell Todd Keller, the very capable head of ESPN Radio at one point, that we were going to lease the studio, and I expected him to do it quickly.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Oral History of the Dan Le Batard Show: Episode 7
So wherever the resistance was, I didn't have to deal with it because there all were people who worked with me, and the influence I had was I got to say what went after Colin Coward's show, and we ended up putting Dan's show there.