John Sopel

I mean, look, Pete Hegseth is right to say what price

Iran getting a nuclear weapon?

Of course, that's a perfectly fair question.

But the idea that he absolutely stonewalls the question of how much is it costing Americans today is so tone deaf when they're seeing the price of gas rise and who knows what's going to happen to interest rates in America if the same thing is going to be happening in Britain.

They're not stopping Iran from making a nuclear bomb.

common thread in what he said there between the iran war and the ukraine war you know when he said the problem is that for vladimir putin and he wants to make a deal he wants to make but there are some people who are just blocking it yeah those bastard ukrainians who keep on fighting and resisting and refusing to surrender and the same problem is there in iran those bastard iranians just won't surrender and roll over and accept they keep fighting back

They keep fighting back.

And it's this kind of total lack of awareness on his part that, you know what, countries under threat tend to try and fight quite hard to defend themselves and don't play by Donald Trump's own imagined rules in that fantasy land inside his head.

Well, you've won militarily, but you've just lost economically.

And you've agreed to ceasefire.

And you've agreed to ceasefire for...

In return for what exactly?

And this can't go on and on.

And yet that is exactly what it seems is going to happen.

Back to Tolstoy.

Yeah, I'm going to.

No war and no peace.

I reckon if you rang up a publisher, they'd take it.

From you.

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