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Jon Bernthal

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1053 total appearances

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"Jon Bernthal"

So for me to kind of go in there like that, you know, I got to go, you know, I rode out with those guys every night for three straight months and went on SWAT raids with the county SWAT team and the city SWAT team, but got to know Wayne, got to know, you know, that whole unit of the Gun Trace Task Force.

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"Jon Bernthal"

So I made unbelievable friends and I was able to see, you know, I'm just so grateful to really see it in that way.

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"Jon Bernthal"

But I think more than anything else, man, and...

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"Jon Bernthal"

you know, look, he was considered, you know, the most corrupt, the most vicious, the most sort of vile, you know, police officer in the history of that city.

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"Jon Bernthal"

So to go into the police department and say, hey, I want to ride out with you guys.

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"Jon Bernthal"

I want to be around you guys to research this, this very, very ugly chapter of their life.

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"Jon Bernthal"

I learned quickly, you know, with policing, you know, how

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"Jon Bernthal"

other than the victims and the community that are just drastically devastated by corrupt policing, it's also good cops are just, are terrorized by it.

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"Jon Bernthal"

And their careers are completely destroyed by it.

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"Jon Bernthal"

And their safety on the street is totally upended by it as well.

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"Jon Bernthal"

But I think mostly...

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"Jon Bernthal"

you know, for me, the key for me was how do you play this guy and not just play him as a monster?

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"Jon Bernthal"

How do you find, you know, some sort of, and it was interesting, man, because every single person who knew Wayne, it was the first thing I said to him when I first met him, everybody who talked to him said, you know, even if he was in the middle of robbing a drug dealer or, you know, shaking a guy down, making a false arrest, no matter what it was, if

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"Jon Bernthal"

any of his kids needed him at any point.

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"Jon Bernthal"

If there was ever an issue with the kids, he would run home immediately.

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"Jon Bernthal"

And it really hit me, you know, how can you engage in such corruption knowing that most likely this is gonna have a bad end because criminality almost always ends bad.

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"Jon Bernthal"

How can you be that corrupt

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"Jon Bernthal"

attuned to your family and you're really doing one to support your family because you feel like you're not getting paid what you deserve.

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"Jon Bernthal"

But that sort of conundrum and dichotomy, you know, really was at the crux of who I think he is and why he was so kind of torn apart.

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"Jon Bernthal"

But he wasn't just a monster.