Jon Delaney

Was that Kurt?

That was a packed question.

Two ways I want to go about this.

Let's look at international media.

a lot of them are either state-controlled, state-affiliated, state-owned, state-funded, right?

So you would naturally assume that those outlets have some sort of agenda or narrative that they're pushing that would push what someone might define as propaganda.

But the thing that's interesting is how do you define propaganda, right?

Very interesting, because...

Um, I went to Ukraine and I did a documentary about the war in Ukraine and I wanted to talk to both sides, Russians and Ukrainians.

But at the time there were a lot of Russians, uh, a lot of Americans in Russia that were getting arrested journalists.

So it makes it hard for me to go to Russia, but we did some remote interviews.

Um, and one of the interviews we did was with a doctor who worked in the, for the Wagner group.

And this is the first time it kind of ties together to what he was asking.

This is the first time I ever got my dose of holy shit.

Like this is what propaganda looks like.

Um, he said, just come to Moscow instead of doing this virtual bullshit interview.

Cause it's hard to hear you, you know, this just come to Moscow after Ukraine.

I said, the fuck we're not going to Russia.

You guys are locking up journalists left and right and calling them spies.

His response, I thought he, I was so shocked.