Jon Favreau

I think what Hassan was making, kind of an inflammatory point, when you look at the death toll in terms of the number of people that Hamas killed on October 7th versus the IDF, but I think you get in trouble when you're doing comparisons.

I've also been someone who's not a fan of Bibi Netanyahu since 2009 when I first was in the same room with the guy.

I think you're getting at this middle ground position.

I want to push you on that a bit because I think every elected official in the United States basically pays lip service to the idea of a two-state solution.

And I think for decades, the U.S.

government made a very sincere effort to facilitate talks that would lead to the creation of a Palestinian state.

But for basically his entire career, Netanyahu has worked to block the creation of a Palestinian state.

And these days he brags about it.

You know, he says, like, throw my adept statesmanship.

We prevented this from happening.

He calls it a terror state.

And in reality, I think the peace process has been dead for a long time.

And then since October 7th,

both Israelis and Palestinians have lost faith that it will ever happen.

I think like one fifth of Israelis in polls think there's any hope for a Palestinian state.

And that number is kind of propped up by Arab Israelis.

So, you know, meanwhile, the situation on the ground, it's the West Bank gets further annexed every week.

Gaza is now even further occupied by Israel.

So I think the critics would say,

This liberal Zionist vision of support for Israel and a two-state solution is kind of delusional in a way of just avoiding the obvious reality that Israel long ago chose to be a Jewish state and not a democracy.