Jon Favreau

And then you have someone, Katie Porter's a good example.

Here's someone who in 2018, rising star, great communicator, policy wonk, but also someone who was like, explain it in accessible way, had the whiteboard.

And then she has a personal character issue, right, with staff.

So then you got that.

And that becomes a theme.

in the Democratic Party as well now, right?

So you got that kind of person.

You got your Nithyas like this and a lot of other folks we're running to who are like good at the job.

You can tell they're going to be good at the job and they're brilliant people.

But like,

Were they born to be campaigners?

Not really.

We've had a lot of that in the Democratic Party, right?

And then you have the Becerras, the Karen Basses, who their claim to fame is just sticking around long enough and just hanging around Democratic politics and being part of the establishment and making enough connections in the establishment that suddenly people are ready to rally behind you

And do you have good intentions?

Yeah, I'm sure.

I'm sure Karen Bass had great intentions when she took the job.

And same with, I assume that of Javier Becerra, because I like to always assume well about people.

But Karen Bass didn't adequately communicate in the last couple of years on this job.

She didn't show the kind of urgency you need to show