Jon Favreau

Let's get back to American politics before we close.

I mean I would say –

We got midterms in November.

2028 Democratic primary is already beginning.

We had a bunch of potential candidates for a Sharpton's event in New York.

The DNC winter meeting kicked off Thursday.

How do you see your role in electoral politics over the next few years?

Before this last media cycle for you, there was one, I think in March, you said you wouldn't vote for Gavin Newsom against J.D.

Vance in 2028.

You'd vote third party.

A lot of people, including people who share a lot of your critiques of the Democratic Party, hear that and think this is the problem.

When the stakes are concrete, like a Vance presidency, another four years of what we're living through, the people who say they're building a movement would rather preserve their own power than do what winning requires and hold your nose and vote for what you believe would be the lesser of two evils.

How do you respond to that?

I realize that you are a California voter, but you have fans and audience, I'm sure, in a lot of the swing states.

Yeah.

What do you tell people who follow you, who respect you, who happen to live in swing states as we head to 2026 and 2028?

I want the Democratic Party to treat me like a never-Trumper.

But you see but you see as we head into these that like after what we've lived through these last years, the stakes and the stark difference between even a Democrat who you and I might find not up to par to say the least.

versus Vance or whoever the fuck they put up.

They don't always have... And none of them are going to, like, all their positions are going to line up.