Jon Lovett

It's video games.

I actually don't think it's working with the audience they need it to work with, which is these young men who are...

In that world, and normally that's how you'd appeal to them, but they were like, this is gross, it's a war.

Yeah, I would bet too that Fox News' audience being old looks more like those old school Republicans that would like this kind of chest-thumping stuff, as opposed to the younger generation that is actually more online and consuming people that are...

more isolationist.

Yeah, the propaganda video, somebody said this about Quentin Tarantino once that always stuck with me, which is that he makes movies that glorify violence from the point of view of someone who's never experienced violence.

And that's what you feel when you see these videos, when you try to turn it into a game.

It's not a game, it's really serious.

And it's why in previous administrations, you would never have anyone do anything

like this, because even if the people that are in charge of the media, the PR strategy, social media, what have you, haven't served themselves, they would at the very least have some sort of respect or humility on behalf of those who do, because they would understand how high the stakes are.

But that's not what you get with these people.

Honestly, these videos to me,

To me, like, forget the hat, the videos.

Pete Hegseth saying that the media are putting the deaths of Americans on the front page because they want to make Donald Trump look bad.

To me, throughout all this is for me the most despicable and revealing statement anyone has made because, hey, man, it's not all about you.

It's not your Pentagon.

It's not Donald Trump's Pentagon.

It's like he's trying to protect Donald Trump of all people.

It's not even about Pete Hegseth.

You're fucking debasing yourself and dishonoring the memory of these Americans who gave their lives so that you can protect Donald Trump's fucking political reputation.